Azuza, Sunday 6/11

[smokescreen]

Meet Time:0800HRS
Meet Place:
Shell Food Mart
106 S Azusa Ave, Azusa, CA
(626) 334-2794

Route---- Up, over, up some more, over some more, up somewhere else, then down, then over a little, then eat.
Then over a little, then up, then down, then over somewheres, then down, over once more and down. Stop for goodbyes, and as our colonial friends would say,
"Bob's your uncle, Fanny's your aunt!"
Of course, Bob's my Dad, and Fanny's my Gramma, but I was born in Bama, so what can I say.

So Far

Princess JuLeia
Darth Fizzer
sv996sk5
Burke (?)
Malkey
Savage
cosmo (?)
Surf City Hommie (?)
twistgrip
Jrod
Peiel (?)
NukleoN
topse7en
quiklids
triplet_2004
sr9004u
bristolbird (?)
Mojave Mike (?)
fuzzyhead
Jehanzeb

Ride Leader----
MonsterGrrl/smokescreen

Coaches----
Malkey
Twistgrip

Sweeps----
MonsterGrrl/smokescreen
Willdahthril
Savage
fuzzyhead

Midgroup----
Ronnie

[TheForce02]

I think i have the day off so i would go if that is the case.

are you thinking of cutting over too Baldy? because just hitting Azusa would be a little short.

[smokescreen]

yeah, that's exactly what i was... What's Baldy?

[Buellba Fett]

Originally posted by smokescreen


Any help here will be nice... I've done this once, and want to give Savage a nice send off ride... This sounds like it'd do the trick...

p.s. Suave, you in?

Hey Savage (aka "Canadian Bacon"), my offer still stands: If you're gonna be away for awhile, and you need someone to keep the fluids in your bike circulating, Hey, I'm there for you! I'll even leave it with a full tank of gas upon your return. Help me help you!;)

[illustr8dman]

Why can't this be this Sun. the fourth? I'm leaving the 5th for two weeks and won't be able to go on any rides!!!! Common! You can do lunch at that one place on east fork or over in Mt. Baldy.

[smokescreen]

would you prefer, this saturday, or this sunday? I'm up for a ride then!!

[Pdiddy]

Guys have recently been meeting at Bert's mega mall. Before when Ronnie set up the ride, we just met at the large parking lot right before you hit the canyons on 39. You have to hit the back side of baldy, great view with twisties. Most likely can make it out on the 11th. After the ride you can grab a good breakfast at the lodge(not sure of name). The back road dumps you right in downtown Baldy, just make a left at the end of the T junction. If you decide this Sunday have a great ride, gotta work on the 4th.

[ronnie]

Meeting point could be on the last turn out (right end side) before going up. Lunch definitely in Mt Baldy. If you guys want a more social place to meet I can find one near Azusa 39 and Foothill. Will post it tomorrow.
If you guys don't go out this Sunday, I guess I'll have to hit ACH to Newcomb-Chilao...Or maybe a big M...it's been a while now;-)

[Savage]

I'm up for this sunday (4th) or the following sunday (11th)

thanks for the proper send off (even though I'll only be gone for 3 weeks, lol)

I've never ridden Azusa but it's like the biggest cocktease ever since I've been hanging out in Azusa/Glendora/Glendale the past few months. Just looking at those mountains has me...:D

[quiklids]

This will be my first group ride - looking forward to meeting you all -

[smokescreen]

This Sunday as well as next weekend is good for me... Practice! And after this weekend, I should have some inkling off the route for next weekend...

[Savage]

so remember my speedo not working?

didn't work all ride last time, then yesterday I park at the mall...then when I leave my speedo is working perfectly and my odometer is too. Then next time I startup my bike it's not.


loose wires?

[racinteach]

so when is this? two weeks in a row?

[Savage]

sooo...let's do a ride this sunday, see how it goes then probably do one again the following sunday with the route that we learned so we know what roads work and what don't.

[smokescreen]

race-correct, two weeks in a row...


Suave-come over soon Savage, and we'll put on our thinking cigars, and find this loose wire... When's good for you?

[Savage]

maybe after the ride sunday?

[smokescreen]

Fine by me.. Sounds like a loose connection.. Hopefully easy to find/repair. But it's got to be at the wheel fork leg, or console. I hope it's at the wheel.

[Savage]

racinteach - still interested in the jacket?

[pAint]

So where is the meet spot!?! 9 am right?!

[smokescreen]

will post meet point shortly.



very soon...

[malkey]

Think I should be up for this one. :D

[sr9004u]

Can we make this 6/11 and a 1/2?

[smokescreen]

the moment Ronnie... or anybody gives me the address for the meet point, I AM going to post it...

[sr9004u]

Berts M/Cycle rip off mall is the best meet place

[smokescreen]

I'd rather some gas station that's closer to the start point.

[sr9004u]

Theres one gas station near the freeway.

[malkey]

Originally posted by smokescreen
I'd rather some gas station that's closer to the start point. There is a Chevron at the bottom of where Azusa Ave goes one way. It is about 1/2 mile north off of the Azusa Ave exit.

Originally posted by sr9004u
Can we make this 6/11 and a 1/2? You daft pillock :lol:

[Savage]

wankers

[smokescreen]

Savage, what's up? This is for the ride THIS Sunday as well.... So I hiope you are paying good attention!

Caus you are going this Sunday right? And smoking a cigar?




Malkey, can you get me the address for that one, so as we got somewhere to meet?

[Savage]

of course I'll be there!

[smokescreen]

CHECK THE FIRST POST!!! MAJOR UPDATE!!! FOR THIS SUNDAY, AND NEXT!!!

[slowpoke]

Originally posted by smokescreen

Left Glendora Mtn Rd
slight right into left 5 into right 5 long, into hairpin left, into slight right, left 4, into right two, to slight left, into right 2, into slight left, tightens into left 2, into right 2, into chicane, into right 3, into hairpin right, into slight left, into hairpin left, into slight left, into hairpin rightinto left 3, right 3, left 2, into long right 3, into left 2!!!!



Left Lytle Creek
Left Lone Pine Cyn Rd.
Left On Hwy 2
Stay Left Onto ACH
Right on Foothill


Isn't Glendora Mountain Road (GMR) closed from the bottom (Glendora) to the intersection to Glendora Ride Road (GRR)?

http://ladpw.org/rmd/roadclosure/results.cfm

GLENDORA MOUNTAIN RD from GLENDORA RIDGE RD to BIG DALTON RD ROAD CLOSED PAVEMENT FAILURE, SLIDE POTENTIAL, SHARP DROPOFFS - 04/05 STORM

Also, ACH is closed at the Islip saddle (between Newcomb's and Wrightwood) - at least a couple of weeks ago it was.

http://www.dot.ca.gov/cgi-bin/roads.cgi

SR 2
[LOS ANGELES & VENTURA CO.'S]
IS CLOSED FROM ISLIP SADDLE TO 5 MI WEST OF BIG PINES (LOS ANGELES CO)
- DUE TO WINTER STORM DAMAGE - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE


I think you will have to go up 39, cut over to East Fork to get to GRR.

From Wrightwood, I think Big Pines will take you to Angeles Forest Highway (never took this route) and then connect you to either 9-mile (Upper Big Tujunga) or ACH.

Count me in when GMR opens up again.

[smokescreen]

Guess I'll need to look into that. Anybody been up that way?

[Dragonhawk]

Originally posted by slowpoke
Isn't Glendora Mountain Road (GMR) closed from the bottom (Glendora) to the intersection to Glendora Ride Road (GRR)?

I think you will have to go up 39, cut over to East Fork to get to GRR.

Count me in when GMR opens up again.
Yes. True. And San Gabriel is closed about 3 miles north of East Fork. At least it was 2 weeks ago.

Originally posted by smokescreen
Guess I'll need to look into that. Anybody been up that way?
Yup. And those 2 closures are ones I've seen personally.

[ronnie]

GMR is still closed but we don't need it to go to MtBaldy which is opened. So we're good for a 40 mn ride from Chevron to MtBaldy village.

The road to Wrightwood is closed a few miles after Newcomb and as far as I know there are no open roads between 2 and 39...and it's been a while.

[illustr8dman]

If you guys really want to do a great ride I would HIGHLY Recomend this one: http://www.socalsvriders.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=275188#post275188

I'm trying to figure out how I can go on this and still manage to take care of all the stuff I need to before my trip Mon.

[smokescreen]

I think I'd be up for that... Anybody else? If anyone is just hooked on still doing Azusa this weekend.. Well then it's Azusa for me.. But if you all want to move to Arrowhead for this weekend, and still do Azusa on the 11th, I'm cool with that to!
W

[ronnie]

How long would be the Arrowhead ride?

[cosmo]

Hey
The Arrowhead ride could take all day if everyone decides that Big Bear to 38 is on. Other wise up to Crestline around Arrowhead and back would only be two hours or so.

I'll try to make it out to the Azusa ride next Sun too. :D

Rob

[TheForce02]

i am still thinking of azusa this weekend

[Peiell]

I'll probably be in for azusa on Sunday.

[smokescreen]

then it's Azusa this weekend and next for me!!

cosmo, hope we still see you for next weekend's ride!

[illustr8dman]

Ya'll gonna be missing out! It's incredible but probably best kept to smaller groups... Have fun this weekend and be safe!!!

[ronnie]

Originally posted by cosmo
Hey
The Arrowhead ride could take all day if everyone decides that Big Bear to 38 is on. Other wise up to Crestline around Arrowhead and back would only be two hours or so.

I'll try to make it out to the Azusa ride next Sun too. :D

Rob

Cosmo don't give up and please repost for the 2 hours trip or more. Next Sunday the 11th or the 18th? I want to discover these roads too. And Azusa is my backyard so I probably won't do it two Sundays in a row.

Illustr8dman, will you be available on any of these coming Sundays for Arrowhead? Thanks;-)

[illustr8dman]

Originally posted by ronnie

Illustr8dman, will you be available on any of these coming Sundays for Arrowhead? Thanks;-)

I'm going to Arrowhead this Sunday! Figured I'd leave the house about 8:30. Those roads are such a treat.

[ronnie]

Originally posted by illustr8dman
I'm going to Arrowhead this Sunday! Figured I'd leave the house about 8:30. Those roads are such a treat.

Alright I am in too;-) I'll do Azusa on the 11th.

[TwistGrip]

Thanks for the personal invites, Will and Julia, much appreciated.

Unfortunately, this weekend is out. Remember that comment you made about my chain having a bit of rust on it... well, I looked into it and this bike has eaten a chain in just over 10,000 miles. It is at the measured limit of stretch and can be pulled away from the rear sprocket enough to see daylight under the links... ugh.

New chain/sprockets next week (and a new rear view mirror) and I'll be at the Azusa ride 6/11. I love that area, the tight ride up the back (east fork?) is perfect for my little bike.

See you then. Ride smart this weekend.

Pieces,
- Evan

[MonsterGrrl]

Poor Duke! You're giving it a run for its money! Oh, well, see you next weekend then!

[triplet_2004]

Hey all, I'm trying to get my wife a little more comfy with riding on the back with me. The traffic scares her and we were thinking of doing a Baldy run as it was, so we might as well go with you guys if ya don't mind. We'll see ya at the Chevron at 9 on Sunday.

[HAUTE06]

I wanna come too...I have to call in sick...I haven't all year...I think I've earned it...

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[smokescreen]

We'd love to see both of you there!! See you at Chvron in the morning!
W

[TheForce02]

so it looks like about 4 of us or so. sounds good

[Savage]

smaller groups can often be better!

[Peiell]

Originally posted by HAUTE06
I wanna come too...I have to call in sick...I haven't all year...I think I've earned it...

Hellllllllloooooo nurse! Well at least we have someone that knows how to patch people up, not like that's gonna happen though. :D

[smokescreen]

lord knows guys in medical school couldn't do it for you...

[racinteach]

Maybe if I wake up....

[HAUTE06]

Hey y'all-thatz what happens when ya lie n call in sick- I called in yesterday and I really did get sick-im just resting today-later I might go down pch but I'm just writing yall from my blackberry in bed right now-was in the er yesterday with dehydration :(

[Savage]

raceinteach,

you got 15 mins to let me know if you're coming on hte ride and if you want me to bring my jacket for you to try on. Let me know if you're interested or not.

it's 745...I'm about to leave in 15 mins or so it looks like.

[smokescreen]

Excellent ride today all!! As usual there were twice the number of people as signed up, but, all the riders were great!!

Jacob, you rode beautifully!! Well done. I hope to see you on more of the rides to help with lead duties. All went very well. Looking forward to next weekend!

Also many thanks to Jon for leading and sweeping as I definately couldn't do both, and didn't want to do just one.




NEW START TIME FOR NEXT SUNDAY!!!

[TheForce02]

Originally posted by smokescreen
Excellent ride today all!! As usual there were twice the number of people as signed up, but, all the riders were great!!

Jacob, you rode beautifully!! Well done. I hope to see you on more of the rides to help with lead duties. All went very well. Looking forward to next weekend!





NEW START TIME FOR NEXT SUNDAY!!!

Thanks! It was really nice to be able to have somebody tell me a little on what I need to work on and also being able to find out that I do ok riding. I can't wait for the next meet that I can go to.

I had a ton of fun on this ride and it was nice to meet so many people that I see on the site. I hope that everybody got home safe!

[smokescreen]

on a side note. I may have killed Bambi today.... sorta sad about that.

[Buellba Fett]

Originally posted by smokescreen
on a side note. I may have killed Bambi today.... sorta sad about that.

Subi or SV? (or rifle?)

[quiklids]

Nice ride! Great to meet everyone!

Will puts out a really cool vibe...all are welcome regardless of abilities...I appreciate that-

My bike felt like a tank in the twistier bits, but it was still fun.

Glad we made it unscathed other than the bee sting-

Oh, and no need to feel guilty, Bambi jumped willingly...and she's very resilient!

[Dragonhawk]

Here are the photos:

http://www.socalsvriders.org/modules.php?set_albumName=albuz33&op=modload&name=Photo_Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

Put up another big panorama too. I'm liking doing those. They're fun to do and they give a good idea of the lovely views and nice turnouts we get for doing rides like this.

[smokescreen]

Tony- Thanks very much, it was very good to have you out today. It's a goal of mine, in setting up group ides, to keep the rides open to all skill levels. I think it's very important for newer riders to get a chance to see more skilled riders take the same turns they are about to take.

I would urge any new rider on this board, to come on group rides, and don't be afraid to ask a seasoned rider to follow, and give you pointers as they see fit. There are some on this board who are willing.

Eric- I have no idea how you found time to get pictures in!! However, thanks very much for taking on sweeping duties on the ride, and giving me the chance to chase the leaders! It was wicked fun! I really dig the baldy area.

[Savage]

can't wait til next sunday to do it all over again! I was loving the live music at lunch too, my vote goes to eating there again next week.

And for all the lurkers out there...if you're gonna join, post up to let everyone know eh!

[Dragonhawk]

Originally posted by smokescreen
Eric- I have no idea how you found time to get pictures in!! However, thanks very much for taking on sweeping duties on the ride, and giving me the chance to chase the leaders! It was wicked fun! I really dig the baldy area.
No problem. I enjoy sweeping. I tend to ride slow, so sweeping allows me to just cruise along and not slow anyone down. Although, today, I was like, "Eh, I'll think I'll keep up with everyone just for the hell of it."

I love the area too. I really like the lodge we stopped at as well. Last time I was there, the other riders complained a lot; The prices are high; The food isn't great; The service is slow. All true. But who cares? But the atmosphere is awesome and the view is unbeatable.

One thing scared me on Glendora Ridge today - I tend to look ahead and ride that road pretty fast. If I have a series of turns that are not blind-curves and I can see no oncoming traffic, I dart back and forth and take advantage of the "no double-yellow" and I ride really briskly ... Coming around one of the curves, when I was WAY on the lefthand side of the road, the one thing I was NOT able to see approaching behind the chappral was a cyclist ... WHOA! :eek: That was TOO close ...

Heh, heh. Bet I helped him get his heartrate a LOT higher!

[smokescreen]

you know it's serious, wehn Savege drops the Eh bomb, Eh? True story....


Seriously, try and post that you are coming. It doesn't mean you can't back out, it just means we have some idea what to expect.

At least say you "might" come!!

Eric- that makes you a trainer!! You prolly got him to his vmax lickitysplit!!!

[malkey]

See you blokes and doris' on Sunday the 11th :D

[smokescreen]

All Right!!

[Burke]

50/50 for the 11th as I am coming on the 18th and I got shit to do around the house. Owning a home sure cramps your riding style sometimes. Maybe if I get the misters all up and fill the wine fridge I can sneak out for the morning and afternoon for a few hours. We'll see.

[smokescreen]

The ride should be over with by 1pm me thinks. It will start earlier than today, and today we were home by 130pm.

[sv996sk5]

Just made my first group ride with the SV forum and had a great time. Looking forward for more group rides in the future.

Great to meet everyone.

Will, thank you for hosting the ride today.

I will see you all next Sunday.

[smokescreen]

Present list of riders for 6/11

Princess JuLeia
Darth Fizzer
sv996sk5
Burke (?)
Malkey
Savage
cosmo (?)
TheForce02
twistgrip
Jrod
Peiel (?)

[TheForce02]

I would urge any new rider on this board, to come on group rides, and don't be afraid to ask a seasoned rider to follow, and give you pointers as they see fit. There are some on this board who are willing.



This was what I was trying to elude to earlier. For anybody who needs some advice take a group ride. As I already said I was given advice on this ride and that is just as important to me as just enjoying the ride. Who can honestly say that they know it all and can't even improve, somebody riding behind you might be able to give you a hint that makes you a better rider and maybe even saves your butt one day.

Great pics by the way!!! (I love the 360 shot)

Also I will not be able to make next week due to work:( but as long as i get enough of a heads up I am ready for the next ride!

[xcessiv]

heyyy, nice seeing all of you again! glad to hear the bicyclists were safe too haha. me and mike may start going their much earlier since it gets super hot real fast. hopefully we'll catch u again!

[TwistGrip]

Awwww, I missed another good one!

Well, sign me up for next weekend on the 11th. I love those roads and ride there as often as possible... sweet.

With my chain so beat, I prefer to think about missing today as having avoided a snapped chain and walking home. Or crashing out...

I am also quite happy to either lead, sweep or coach those who want a "second opinion" on their technique. Just forgive my feet-out riding style.

Can't wait.

in pieces,
Evan

[Peiell]

Had a great time today! Good to meet some of the folks on the boards for the first and second time. Will, props for doing great job organizing. Oh and I may be coming next Sunday - maybe riding two-up with my gal.

For all the folks thinking about doing your first group ride, Will makes it incredibly safe and fun for everyone. I highly recommend the environment. Plus, the forecast says around 80 deg at the base for next Sunday. PERFECT WEATHER!

:D

[Jrod]

i did route 2 on saturday, it was the most fun ride i've been on, i am down for doing this ride on the 11th. Gonna have to wake up early to make it out there on time.

[Savage]

So can someone go over 'breaking in the turns' for me? I've always rode slower going into the turns and accelerated through them. Then Will starts telling me how he goes in fast and can break with the front in the middle of a turn.

So....what're the do's and don'ts of breaking in turns?

That first really twisty part on our way up I wouldn't mind sweeping...I'm not overly fast on the tight blind corner hairpins anyways so I mine as well put my services to use...know what I mean?

As always Eric thanks for the pics!

Also what're some more mellow canyon rides that are more favourable for riding 2up? like the longer mellow sweepers instead of blind corner decreasing radius turns with sand.

new lady friend is all for it, sounds like fun to me.

[smokescreen]

Savage- bringer this weekend. Trail braking, IS NOT a good way to learn to corner, so I'd learn to carry more speed through the corners first. I prolly have a book you can read if you are so inclined. And remember, I didn't say I particularly fast in the turns, but I am well practiced on braking in the turns, and loading the suspension.

Glad to hear more new faces will be coming, please everybody, take note of the new start time. As xsessive said, too hot too soon.

[Dominus]

I never brake while turning. I always set my desired speed prior to entering the turn first. Braking while turning can cause your front wheel to slide out from under you.

[druiid]

It can, yes. I'll brake into the turn itself on my 50, but I'd recommend against doing it on a bigger bike.

[Kurt'sSV]

Don't worry about trail braking. You're not trying to beat anyone out there.

[quiklids]

Count me in...poppa's day the following weekend!

What was it again, Jacob?

La - poo - n - tay?

:D

[Dragonhawk]

Originally posted by Savage
As always Eric thanks for the pics!

Also what're some more mellow canyon rides that are more favourable for riding 2up? like the longer mellow sweepers instead of blind corner decreasing radius turns with sand.

new lady friend is all for it, sounds like fun to me.
Why not do San Gabriel Canyon by itself? It's not really slow, but it is wide sweepers on new pavement.

You might also try Mulholland between Sierra Creek and Topanga Canyon.

[Peiell]

Originally posted by Kurt'sSV
Don't worry about trail braking. You're not trying to beat anyone out there.

I agree. On these canyon rides, I never touch the brakes. If you're in the right gear while you're entering a turn (6-7k rpm?) you should have enough control of the throttle to let up if the turn radius starts to decrease unexpectedly, or if you enter a little hot (which really should be avoided).

[smokescreen]

I would love to see more of the experienced riders actually come out and help to coach our newer riders. I'm no mentor, but Julia and I were lucky enough to have two very talented and patient mentors with us for our beginnings on the street.

I think knowing how to brake in the turns, and in any situation is imparitive for a rider, including a street rider. as for on the track... Well I wouldn't know personally, but if I remember correctly, a very talented GP rider used his rear brake soo much in the turns, that he actually patented and sells a rear brake button. (his preference, I imagine it can be difficult at times to reach you foot pedal, and using your thumb probably allows for an added level of finness.

As I said, I'm not talented enough to mentor new riders myself. It's all I can do to set up rides, and invite the newer riders out. And sadly, in my experience, most seasoned riders won't be bothered with helping to further the abilities of fresh riders. For that reason, I think twistgrip's offer is an awesome one. So, thanks much Evan, it's refreshing to see a rider willing to go out and save riders the headache of learning the painful way.

[Savage]

Dunno if I'll bring her this weekend, I barely have more than a handful of days commuting 2-up, let alone canyons 2-up.

Hey Will and Julia...my balls dropped! I toasted the girlfriend :D

bout damn time eh?

thx for the heads up on the K&N filter too, sounds groovy.

[smokescreen]

hahaha!! I say some f'd up stuff man!!

Good for you though. Don't need any crazys in the bedroom......... Well, maybe you do.. Your call.. But this just means, more fun in Canada!!

[malkey]

Originally posted by Peiell
On these canyon rides, I never touch the brakes. If you're in the right gear while you're entering a turn (6-7k rpm?) you should have enough control of the throttle to let up if the turn radius starts to decrease unexpectedly, or if you enter a little hot (which really should be avoided). Letting off the throttle mid-turn is not always a good idea especially if you slam it shut. It will load up the front end and possibly cause you to loose it. On a corner you should keep your head up and look as far through the corner as possible. Also look for the vanishing point. Does the view of the corner narrow, stay constant or open up. These are all clues as to what type of corner it is. Decreasing, constant or increasing.

Smoke I will be happy to help with pointers for any new or inexperienced riders if needed.

[Peiell]

Originally posted by malkey
Letting off the throttle mid-turn is not always a good idea especially if you slam it shut. It will load up the front end and possibly cause you to loose it. On a corner you should keep your head up and look as far through the corner as possible. Also look for the vanishing point. Does the view of the corner narrow, stay constant or open up. These are all clues as to what type of corner it is. Decreasing, constant or increasing.

Smoke I will be happy to help with pointers for any new or inexperienced riders if needed.

Totally good point, malkey. Slamming the throttle shut is a no-no. I guess what I meant to say was that SLIGHT AND SMOOTH adjustments at the throttle can help you pull in the radius of a turn given the same lean angle, but maybe I should just shut-up cause maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. I thought I had read it in Reg Pridmore's book.

[smokescreen]

Malkey- that is very good of you. Another excellent rider willing to help out other members... Also, that is excellent advise, needless to say. And I suck at it in the left turns.. I'm loving the right turns though. Maybe that's why I like to ride up and down each road. All the turns I felt good at, will be the opposite, and all the turns I have trouble with are easy!

Of course, now we gotta get fresh riders to actually ask advise when we are about to start a ride... I'm sure we can figure something out...

Peiell- You are another example of a better rider to listen to than me. I couldn't catch you on the way up Sundy, nor could I catch Jacob. You two were smokin! When you lead, you lead very well, and when you swept.. I'm sure you did a more patient job of it than me.

[Peiell]

Whoa, that's totally weird. I just sent you a PM on similar topic AT THIS VERY MOMENT. du nu na na du nu na na (twilight zone music)

[zzzwillzzz]

smoothness is key. if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using the brakes in the corners. the number one rider error for newer riders is running in too fast (or what the rider thinks is too fast) and then hitting the brakes instead of leaning the bike more (there's usually alot more lean angle available), causing the bike to stand up and run wide of the turn followed by running into the guardrail, mountain or over the edge of the cliff...

it's better to come in a little to slow and accelerate out of the turn while rolling on the throttle rather than panic and try to scrub off enough speed before the corner and try to get the bike leaned over and turn. you definitely won't be smooth that way and you'll end up crossing the yellow line alot and you don't get too many chances at the right handers before you fall down in the dirt or hit something.

maybe one of these days i'll show up to a group ride again, but i have to ride my bicycle first

[topse7en]

count me in

[TheForce02]

Originally posted by quiklids
Count me in...poppa's day the following weekend!

What was it again, Jacob?

La - poo - n - tay?

:D

:geek:

Gringo way: La-poo-n-te
Mexican way: Lapuente
:D I guess you have to just listen to me say it. I may be a gringo, but when you live in La Puente for your whole life you learn how to say it right(though my grandparents and my dad still say it the gringo way and they have lived here for WAY longer then i have)


In regards to braking though...
For those who where behind me you might have seen that I brake in the corners sometimes(not very often though, you don't want to make it a habit). I try my best to brake before the corner and accelerate through it, but sometimes you get a decreasing radius or something that causes you to reconsider a little. The following is only if you feel comfortable doing it though: I tapped my breaks VERY lightly when i needed to shed some speed. Usually I only tap the rear break and as far as I can remember I do not touch the front break(you don't want the weight transfer onto the front wheel). Again I am touching the break very lightly and usually it is a quick tap, tap and not a continual breaking.

Most of the time though I find that I am able to lean more into the corner and be safe. When you lean more you shed a little bit of speed and also tighten your turn. Instead of the speed taking you wide you angle in more making it through the corner. At the same time when I feel my speed taking my wide, as above I lean a little more, BUT the most important thing is to look through the corner. We are taught this at MSF courses and people always tell you to do it, but when it comes down to it, it works! So when you come into a corner hot, lean more and look through the corner and your bike will make it through... well that is unless your are being a complete idiot and going way too fast!

As we talked about on the ride, right handed people turn left easier while left handed people like turning right more. I did have about two or three corners where I was turning right and I didn't feel comfortable. At this point I straightened my bike up and applied the brakes until I lost some speed then I would lean back over and exit the corner. Another thing to remember is to always watch make your corner as wide/long as possible. If it is a left hander approach it from the outside edge(the right side), start making your turn in, hit the apex, and as you exit again stretch the corner out and come out on the right side again.

I don't know if any of that helps anybody, but maybe it will. I am no expert and I only have one year of riding under my belt, but Love to drive so I think this helps with my riding. Be careful with the braking in the corners though! Like I said above be very gentle and try to lean and look more then brake.

[soulofadra6o]

Originally posted by malkey

You daft pillock :lol:

wtf is a daft pillock? damn you brits and your witting expressions!

[NukleoN]

Yo Savage....

Basically there's no reason to be learning trail braking (not breaking heh) in corners right now, especially with a passenger...it's gonna feel weird enough as it is with the extra weight...just concentrate on being smooth and you'll be ok. Remember, get your braking done before the turn and roll smoothly on the throttle the whole way through the turn, even if it's downhill...this will settle the chassis and make everything feel nice and planted.

As Malk said...definitely don't chop the throttle...especially in a turn...very bad....but if you do have to brake in a turn..stand the bike up a little...straighten out and then re-commit....that's only for emergency braking...normally you'd just lean harder if for some reason you misjudged your line.

Another good tip for canyon riding (to avoid braking drama) is to take late apexes....this will let you see more, start and complete the turn in a shorter amount of time and distance (less time leaned over) and allow you more 'upright' time in the event of road hazards or double yellow drifters.

Also, avoid getting too close to the double yellow line in blind turns...this has literally saved my ass about 3 times...well, one of them could have been bad but the other two would have been painful. This is another reason to get in the habit of late apexing in canyons...tends to keep you off the double yellow more.

See you all Sunday! :D

[Savage]

now this is what I'm talking about, learning more, tips, advancing the skills.
I won't be riding 2up this weekend, but maybe after my little vacation (if this girl sticks around that is)

I look forward to this next ride and if anyone has any tips or pointers for me I'm more than willing to listen. I still have 1/2 inch to an inch on my rear tire that I don't use in the turns. That's another thing I want to work on is leaning more correctly.

[agirls]

Savage, you should go on a track day when you have the time and $. You will probably be surprised at your tires by the end of the day. You learn the track, you get comfortable, and you are just concentrating on your turns. No other distracions, except the other riders sometimes. After my first trackday, you could see the wear almost to the edge of the tire on the rear. Not the front though which I would guess is because the front is pushed slightly in the opposite direction. And I'm not very fast, believe me. I may be a little faster than you right now, but not by much!

[Savage]

I really wanna do that beat the heats take it to the streets noob trackday.

I figure after I sell my old jacket / frame sliders / boots/ pants
I'll have some money for a new front tire and maaaaaybe a trackday.

ALso for those who're down in the south bay area, Jrod and I are going to meet at the Starbucks just off W Centinela ave and La Tijera/La Cienega.

There's a large shopping complex there with like Magic Johnsons Fridays, Magic Johnson starbucks, ralphs, etc.

fuck...I really don't fit into my neighborhood.:)

[Rocko]

small bike on a track...that is the best way to learn cornering

this is what i do
slow down using brakes
hang off
constant throttle
look through turn
smoothly lean bike over, max lean at apex
smoothly stand bike up, gradually applying more throttle

seriously...go to the track. if you want to use that last bit of tires you really have to be pushing pretty hard to do that, and that's not such a good idea on the street.

[TwistGrip]

Originally posted by smokescreen
As I said, I'm not talented enough to mentor new riders myself. It's all I can do to set up rides, and invite the newer riders out. And sadly, in my experience, most seasoned riders won't be bothered with helping to further the abilities of fresh riders. For that reason, I think twistgrip's offer is an awesome one. So, thanks much Evan, it's refreshing to see a rider willing to go out and save riders the headache of learning the painful way.

Thanks for the props, Will. I love teaching people about the things I love to do; motorcycling being one of my favorites because it's rarely considered work. And when I'm following someone to critique their riding, I'm still able to enjoy a nice ride in the hills.

I'll never be able to thank the fast bunch of guys I rode with in the mid 90's in Tucson, AZ on Mt Lemmon highway. Many of them are directly responsible for my riding style and skills. One, who rode a Ducati 916, was soooo smoooooth everywhere on the road and inspired me to whittle away any unnecessary movements and thoughts that kept me from being as smooth as him. After years of riding with him, I remember pulling over at a rest stop only to have HIM impressed by how smooth and quickly I did one section of the road. That felt good.

If I can help anyone with tips, advice or watching them ride, feel free to ask. I'm the weirdo on the orange KTM.

The chain/sprockets/mirror are on the bike, see you Sunday,
Evan

[JV711]

My only request is that you guys spell the town 'Azusa', because its everything A-Z in the USA.

Sorry but I can't make ride. Have fun.

[bristolbird]

Originally posted by soulofadra6o
wtf is a daft pillock? damn you brits and your witting expressions!

A daft pillock is like a dozy plonker, of course..... :p

[smokescreen]

bristolbird-??????????

Evan- Thanks again. You to, know just how much a good mentor who's patient with you helps. I'd love to have you follow me sometime and critique my riding. I already know I allow my nerves to get to me in left turns, but I'm working on that. However, that may be all I'm working on. So any other notes would be great!

To everyone. I will try at the beginning of the ride, to outline the route, and set aside one or two parts on the way up for coaching. Then anybody willing to be a coach can get together with me, and I'll try to pair you with someone who has expressed interest in being coached. Maybe you(s) can coach early in the ride, thereby giving any student time later in the ride to implement what they've learned.

To anybody who wishes to be coached. Please PM me, with the word COACH in the subject and I will do my best to pair you with someone on a first ask first served basis.

I think this is a great idea, as the whole point of me setting up group rides, has been to get new riders into the twisties in an invironment that is condusive to learning!! This rocks! It's all coming together now!

[triplet_2004]

I'll be there...again!:D

[TheForce02]

Looks like Azusa is turning into a very popular ride. How about we set one up for the beginning of July and I will get the day off.

I also like the idea of helping out everybody! I think that one great spot was about half way through when you are in the upper area with a wide open area to either side. It was more of long high speed sweepers, but using the area right before, through it, and after would be a good place to look at technique. Just a thought though.

[smokescreen]

I'm with ya... I'll be stting up morte rides as soon as the SV is back together from it's surgery. Which I'm going to start just after the advanced rider course on the 24th now. I still have to source a GSXR600K2 front wheel, and rotors... Then I'll be set.

[Dragonhawk]

Originally posted by TheForce02
I think that one great spot was about half way through when you are in the upper area with a wide open area to either side. It was more of long high speed sweepers, but using the area right before, through it, and after would be a good place to look at technique. Just a thought though.
That spot is the intersection of Glendora Mountain Road and Glendora Ridge Road.

Looking north, Glendora Mountain Road is the road that we came up AND it is the road that is closed (until the end of the month, then it reopens). Glendora Ridge Road is the one with no double-yellow and it leads to Mount Baldy Road (where we made the left to head up to Buckhorn Lodge).

[malkey]

Think I've pursuaded sr9004u to join us too.

Bristolbird are you going to get your arse up for the ride?

[bristolbird]

Originally posted by malkey
Think I've pursuaded sr9004u to join us too.

Bristolbird are you going to get your arse up for the ride?

Hmm, Saturday is going to be a long day for me so it just depends on how I feel in the morning.

[sr9004u]

Im going

Originally posted by bristolbird
Hmm, Saturday is going to be a long day for me so it just depends on how I feel in the morning.


I didnt know Marcia was thinking about going:o

[smokescreen]

This thing is gettin sorta big... hehe......

So It would be great if anybody with asperations or coaching, or sweeping please email me. And put which on it is in the link. I think I'll need a little help with this ride.

I don't plan on riding two seperate groups, but I think we could use a midgroup leader. And we will definately need a couple sweeps to round up the younguns. The more sweeps the merrier, as it means that nobody would have to do it for that long. I figure we can draw straws to find out whos the sweep where. Also, if you are a coach, well, you can't really be a sweep.

I'd love to get some messages in the next few days.

By the way, We will be rolling out as quickly as we can after 0800HRS. I'd like to beat the heat and Tourons up the first bit there.

We will be abiding by the pace, and it will be lower than 65, as 65 is a speed rarely met in the twistys anyhow.


UPDATED ROUTE, MEET TIME, AND MEMBERS AND DUTIES ON FIRST POST! SEE Y'ALL ON WHATEVER DAY IT IS!!

ED: SUNDAY!!

[Willdahthril]

I think I'm gonna make this. I'd be willing to take sweep or midgroup duties as I am fairly familiar with these roads. However, I'm probably not fast enough to lead. I'd also be very interested in the coaching. Someone telling me what I'm doing wrong fixes my problems a lot quicker than me trying to figure it out myself. Evan gave me a tip on a Malibu ride that really helped a lot and probably alleviated me from contless frustrating rides. I don't expect every tip to be as dramatic, but anything is better than nothing so long as it's coming from a safe and experienced rider.

[TheForce02]

lol, i am still listed as going. sorry but it is not going to happen for the 11th

[Mojave Mike]

I'll try to make it..long haul just to meeting point.
Mike

[TwistGrip]

Originally posted by bristolbird
Hmm, Saturday is going to be a long day for me so it just depends on how I feel in the morning.

Well, try to feel good, and come up for a ride in Azusa. Seems simple to me. Besides, that ride ususally MAKES me feel good.

Hope to see you there, bird.

-Evan

[steveb]

Mojave Mike,

I might join you Sunday morning from Lancaster. Say 6:45 at the Park and ride at the 14/Sierra Hwy/AFH?

I'm going to Lake Isabella late Saturday morning, a party in Glendora Sat night then back home at night.

If I'm not there at 6:45, keep going without me.

Elizabeth and Isabella, same thing, just some riding distance between them, no biggie.

[Jerm]

That's a helluva group you guys have going up :eek:

BTW, that restaurant, they are open pretty early, I don't know why they decided not to open up to 11 am on the last group run from Azusa. There food is also 20x better, along w/ better service then what is found down the road in Mt. Baldy. Ate there at like 9:30 am about 2 weeks ago. Their biker special is pretty good, it's like 5 bucks plus whatever drink you get. I ate there for 7 bucks.

Wish I could roll, have a game at 0800 also #-o

[smokescreen]

Jerm- Jack Bauer wouldn't back out caus'a some "game". He'd kill the other players ahead of time, and make the fuckin ride!!! And kill ANY terrorists on the ride too!!

[Jerm]

Originally posted by smokescreen
Jerm- Jack Bauer wouldn't back out caus'a some "game". He'd kill the other players ahead of time, and make the fuckin ride!!! And kill ANY terrorists on the ride too!!

Jack Bauer is also a God, which I am not.

BTW, this next season, he's going to take down the country of China.... yep, you heard it here first. Chuck Norris will also try to rescue Jack, but Bauer has other plans and kills Chuck so he can put a hault to the Nuclear campaign the Chinese have going. :worthy:

[Savage]

I can honestly say I've only watched 1 epsiode of 24.

[malkey]

Originally posted by Jerm
Jack Bauer is also a God, which I am not.

BTW, this next season, he's going to take down the country of China.... yep, you heard it here first. Chuck Norris will also try to rescue Jack, but Bauer has other plans and kills Chuck so he can put a hault to the Nuclear campaign the Chinese have going. :worthy: And don't forget he is going to have Chloe download schematics to the ship to help him escape.

24 is one of my favourite shows :D

Originally posted by Savage
I can honestly say I've only watched 1 epsiode of 24. You heathen! :p

[TheForce02]

Originally posted by Savage
I can honestly say I've only watched 1 epsiode of 24.

You are no longer welcome here:eek:

Lol, either buy the DVD or download them from itunes, it is honestly the best show ever!

[ronnie]

Back to the subject matter kids:D How about meeting at the Shell station rather than the Chevron and avoid 40 U turns or so (from the 210 freeway and back to the Foothill). Is there a particular reason Smokescreen for picking up Chevron? You have a deal with them? Special $PG for SVRiders? :p

[smokescreen]

I never got the address to the Shell Station.... And u-turns are good practice.

CHECK FIRST POST FOR NEW MEET ADDRESS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ORIGIONAL, TO KEEP RONNIE'S PANTYS FROM TWISTING!!!

kidding ronnie, just kidding!!!


and for any really confused birds, the ride is THIS Sunaday!! Not last Sunday! There was no ride then!!!

this Sunday
0800hrs
Shell Food Mart
106 S Azusa Ave, Azusa, CA
(626) 334-2794

[fuzzyhead]

I'll be there unless something unforeseen happens.
Looks like some good peeps are going.

[Savage]

might get to the point where we need 2 groups on this one

[fuzzyhead]

I can try and help with riding questions. I'm not the best rider out there, but I'm pretty comfortable.

Also, I can sweep or whatever too. Although, I think I'm going to bring the 20D and snap some shots or people riding or something. I haven't quite decided about that yet. If I do take pictures of riders, that means I'm going to have to pull off somewhere. I'll be plenty out of the way from everyone, but if you see me. I'm not broke down, I don't need help, and don't freak out. We can talk more about this later at the pre-ride briefing or whatever. I just know I wish I had pictures of me riding, so I'm sure others would want their picture taken.


About riding in the canyons. Keep at your own pace. Which means don't try to ride as fast as someone else. When I first started riding I used to try and be as fast as the rider in front of me. I wasn't working on my form, line, throttle control, breaking correctly or anything. I just wanted to be fast. Well, I probably wasn't that fast, and I was out of control often. My mantra is "Slow in, fast out." I'm sure I got that from somewhere, I don't know. But I try to be as smooth as possible. I take it easy into the turns, and pick it up out of the turns. As Kurt said the street ride isn't a race, you don't NEED to trail brake. You may want to practice it, which is cool, but when you're cruising the street, you don't need to.

New riders shouldn't brake while leaning in turns. It's possible to do it, but that'll come through years of riding, hours of book studying, thinking, and miles. Motorcycles are crazy dudes.

Sorry for the long post. I'll resume my normal quiet behaviour. Like I said, I'm no expert, and I'm sure some of you won't agree with me, but if you want to chat about it, let me know. I'd love to help.

[Jehanzeb]

Anyone leaving from South Orange County?

Heard good things about Azusa Canyon, looking forward to riding with you all.

[bristolbird]

Originally posted by Savage
I can honestly say I've only watched 1 epsiode of 24.

I have only watched 1/2 of the very first episode, don't feel bad.

:D

[smokescreen]

This looks like it's gonna be a large one... I don't want two groups per se, as I'd sorta like us all together.... But.... I think we'll get to the twistys as a group, and then, we'll stagger our launch.

I hate to bring this up again, but I think the way to get a fun ride for all, is to pick your spot well. I'd like to minimize passing. If you've never ridden with the group, stay towards the back. If you are sure you are a fast rider, well then... Stay towards the front. I don't want to be thinking about people passing when we get to the tech stuff.

Fuzzyhead- As for photos, there is a spot where we'll stop and regroup, and you and whomever else wishes to get photos can go ahead and set up. It's an overlook spot, I'm sure it's a juncture of two roads, where one is closed. You can go ahead, get shots, then sweep from there on out. I only ask that you count and make sure all riders are past, before you pick up a sweep position. I think that'll work great, as there are some very opportune spots above that point.

[Savage]

yea, when we ride out. let's make sure to stagger the riders correctly...like say 'ok whos riding really fast' and that group lineup first. then the rest of us slow polks stagger in teh back.

Dibs on sweeping the first section after the SHell meetup. :p

[ronnie]

How about smaller groups of 5 leaving every 5mn?

[Mojave Mike]

Originally posted by steveb
Mojave Mike,

I might join you Sunday morning from Lancaster. Say 6:45 at the Park and ride at the 14/Sierra Hwy/AFH?

If I'm not there at 6:45, keep going without me.



Steveb

Likewise...If I'm not there at 6:45, keep going without me.

Mike

[smokescreen]

I think I've got something figured out for that. We will leave as a group, but where the twisties begin, we'll begin the stagger. I don't want to hold up group two, as they won't be as fast anyhow, and I don't want everybody waiting, but We'll definately stagger from there. It shouldn't be soo busy since we'll be there an hour earlier than last week, so hopefully we aren't contending with much traffic.

[ronnie]

Staggering will work up to the camping area but after in the steep tight twisties going up to GMR saddle and MtBaldy...it just won't. How about stopping right before the needle turn and then let small groups up. We are in no rush anyway, not to mention cagers.

[TwistGrip]

Originally posted by ronnie
Staggering will work up to the camping area but after in the steep tight twisties going up to GMR saddle and MtBaldy...it just won't. How about stopping right before the needle turn and then let small groups up. We are in no rush anyway, not to mention cagers.

Couldn't agree more, that tight section up to the Mt Baldy turnout (rest stop) is only good when you can rip along at your own pace. It has everything people complain about most; blind turns, a decreasing radius turn or two, a bit of sand, it's narrow and tight, and has a steep drop on the side.

There's a good place to stage at the bottom (I think this is the "needle turn" Ronnie speaks of) and we can do the small-group thing from there.

I'd like to be up front on that tight section but the rest of the ride I don't really care.

pieces,
Evan

[smokescreen]

Ronnie- are you talking about the needle turn where everybody stops and takes a break? Or the one at the bottom of the hill where there's traffic? I was hoping to not stop at all at the bottom of the hill. I figure we can make it up to the first rest stop before really worrying about splitting up. Alsio, I'm not sure how two groups would halp. I mean, the fast group will outstrip the slow group anyhow. I was thinking 30 seconds between go after the first few.

But I dunno. I'll try anything I guess. And it'll depend on how big this group is.

[ronnie]

Originally posted by smokescreen
Ronnie- are you talking about the needle turn where everybody stops and takes a break? Or the one at the bottom of the hill where there's traffic? I was hoping to not stop at all at the bottom of the hill. I figure we can make it up to the first rest stop before really worrying about splitting up. Alsio, I'm not sure how two groups would halp. I mean, the fast group will outstrip the slow group anyhow. I was thinking 30 seconds between go after the first few.

But I dunno. I'll try anything I guess. And it'll depend on how big this group is.

You are right, it will depend on who really shows up tomorrow. The needle turn is the sharp turn to the right and up past the camping area by the river , yes, at the bottom of the hill. But there should be enough room for a safe stop as this rd ends pretty much there.
I personnally wouldn't mind more stops as the area is really splendid and we can already comment on the sweepers, take pictures... this ride is actually too short compared to Big M and others.
It's really gonna be a memorable ride!:-) I am looking forward to it. Thanks for organizing.

[Savage]

yea this ride is rather short...any way to make it longer for next time?

I like the idea of more pics!

[Dragonhawk]

Originally posted by smokescreen
Ronnie- are you talking about the needle turn where everybody stops and takes a break? Or the one at the bottom of the hill where there's traffic?
That turn is the intersection of East Fork Road and Glendora Mountain Road. Here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?om=0&ll=34.228889,-117.773781&spn=0.005659,0.016651&t=h

The stop at the top of the hill is the intersection of Glendora Mountain Road and Glendora Ridge Road. Here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?om=0&t=h&ll=34.203639,-117.808542&spn=0.002831,0.004828

[racinteach]

should be there ..well at least planning on it...

[ronnie]

Originally posted by Dragonhawk
That turn is the intersection of East Fork Road and Glendora Mountain Road. Here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?om=0&ll=34.228889,-117.773781&spn=0.005659,0.016651&t=h

The stop at the top of the hill is the intersection of Glendora Mountain Road and Glendora Ridge Road. Here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?om=0&t=h&ll=34.203639,-117.808542&spn=0.002831,0.004828
Thanks Eric for these great aerial views of the needle and the saddle;-)

[steveb]

Originally posted by Mojave Mike
Steveb

Likewise...If I'm not there at 6:45, keep going without me.

Mike

Mike,

I will not make it tomorrow morning, I'm beat!

Steve B

[ickibar]

i might see you guys there...planning to be there earlier to avoid cagers :D

[SurfCityHommie]

ready to roll, see you there

[Peiell]

I'll be there riding two-up! Should be fun.

[NukleoN]

Faster groups are gonna outrun the slower groups...but if I wanted to ride by myself I'd do just that....I think we're way too worried about getting held up...I don't go on group rides to go at 10/10ths pace...I like riding with other people sometimes...but if anyone is holding someone up...just let them pass...over-thinking the 'groups' I think isn't gonna help much, especially since some people will still catch the 'fast' groups if they've put themselves in slower groups...not to mention cagers which will fill the gaps along the way and slow *everyone* down.

Let's just ride...those who are faster should naturally tend toward the front..but being fast in the canyons doesn't mean you're slow (some of you on the track are definitely faster than you let on)...so no pressure. Personally...I don't go too crazy in the canyons coz I save my best effort for the track as well...I just like a brisk but safe pace...nothing where I am scaring myself...and blind corners...I crawl through em pretty much. :D

[racinteach]

It was an interesting ride....lots of weird weather...the fog was neat...good to see so many familiar faces and some new ones ....A big thank you to all those who planned this ride the group was huge...thnaks Will and Julia and the usual suspects....

[fuzzyhead]

It was a good ride. Thanks everyone.
I hope everyone made it home ok.

I'll post pics up as soon as I can.

[SurfCityHommie]

That was a great ride. Good weather to learn how to ride in a group.

I watched and learned, You folks are some good riders and it's great to see that you know how to lead. Malkey set a good pace especially since he knew I was in the B group. I actually kept up with Nuke.

Got some good pointers and was amazed that even in poor visability weather, riding can still be fun and safe.

I'm already looking forward to the next ride. I am now very confident that I can even keep up with myself.

Thanks to the organizers and to Rob for setting up my bike.

[sr9004u]

A was not much faster than B which was a good thing given the conditions, A group had a couple of people on the yellow line going up....and I mean on for the line for quite awhile:eek:

Still had a good time and to see the usual peeps.

[malkey]

Ta very much to Will and Jules for organising yet another fun ride. :D Good to see all the usual suspects and meet some new suspects too. :D

[Dragonhawk]

Here are photos:

http://www.socalsvriders.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Photo_Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&set_albumName=albuz42

[hurleydude66]

Nice turnout! Wish I could have made it, but took a bad spill a couple of weeks ago pushin' the bike too hard. :sad:

Maybe next time.

[fuzzyhead]

Here are some pics... <A HREF ="http://www.socalsvriders.org/modules.php?set_albumName=albuz43&op=modload&name=Photo_Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php">Clicky</A>.


I don't know who everyone is, but I tried my best to find your screen-name. If I identified you wrong, I apologize.

Some of the pictures aren't the best, so that's a bummer, but I hope you like them.

[Peiell]

Great ride everybody! Looks like we all made it bad safe. D-hawk and fuzzy - thanks for taking some great pics. They really capture riding conditions :)

[quiklids]

Originally posted by malkey
Ta very much to Will and Jules for organising yet another fun ride. :D Good to see all the usual suspects and meet some new suspects too. :D

+1

Thanks for the help, Malkey-

(god, I love that avatar!)

[Burke]

Man. Sorry I missed this one. Looks like a lot of fun. I'll be there next weekend. Had some work around the house to do. Malkey, thanks for the call last night. I didn't get a chance to do it today but I'll do it next Saturday. Took the lowers off the SV this weekend so she's all naked like the day I bought her. I kinda like the look a little better un faired but the fairings are great for colder weather. Looks like an absolutely great ride today and I'm bummed I couldn't attend. Glad everyone came back unscathed and no oe's feelings got hurt... :p

[Buellba Fett]

Originally posted by Burke
... Glad everyone came back unscathed and no oe's feelings got hurt... :p

Burke, you hurt my feelings by not showing up. :p


William and Julia, thanks again for planning the ride and orchestrating. Next time I'll sit at your table and help cover your bill. Least I can do given your efforts. See ya next week! :D :D

And Fuzzyhead and DragonHawk, good pics! Thanks for taking the time to bring more smiles to the group. Cheers!

[smokescreen]

As usual, it was a great ride!!


Azusa is what I 'd call a GREAT road. Every time that I ride up there, I feel like I increase my skills.

Thanks to all for coming, thanks to Eric, and Savage, and Fuzzy for sweeping, and thanks to Julia for putting up with me!

Also, tons of thanks to Malkey, and Evan for coaching some of our newer riders! That was awesome!

Just for future reference on this ride. When you eat at the resteraunt we chose to stop at. Remember, the price of you plate, plus $2 if you drank anything, plus 27%. I know that sounds high, but it's 8.25%(?) for tax, and 18% gratuity. I love you all, and want to eat and be marry, but I definately need your help on this to avoid costly confusions.

Again thanks! Can't wait to do it again.

As an afterthought, if someone agrees to spend a good portion of their ride coaching you, you may strongly consider buying their drink at lunch?

[sr9004u]

Good for you Smoke!

I ordered a cup of coffee and gave our grizzled vet of a waitress $5.00 and let her know we were square.

[fuzzyhead]

I hate group bills. Someone always gets screwed. Sorry about that Will.

[Burke]

Originally posted by Buellba Fett
Burke, you hurt my feelings by not showing up. :p

I know, I know... Sorry but you knowhow it is... Sometimes you just gotta do some stuff around the house.

Will, I'm with ya on the bill thing. I'm usually pretty generous when it comes to that stuff but I hate getting stuck with someone else's bill. Unfortunately it happens sometimes and I hope no one would stiff the bill on purpose. My ex-wife had a friend that would do that to us. We'd go to sushi or something and she'd "accidentally" forget her ATM card or her credit card and we'd get stuck paying the bill. Chick could eat and drink too...

[TheForce02]

Looks like you guys had a lot of fun! Sorry I couldn't go this week, but you know that stupid thing called work... though I did ride to work!:squid:

Can't wait for the next meet.

[ronnie]

I want to add my own thanks to Will and Julie, Evan Eric and Fuzzy. Nice crowd & incredibly changing weather conditions made this ride special. And The Buckhorn Lodge is definitely a top place to hang out after the twisties;-) See you all soon!

[malkey]

Todays ride was fairly multi-national too. America, France, Canada and England were all represented today. Next time we'll have to get svcat and acer66 to join us. Sorry if I missed anyone. :(

[sr9004u]

And Mexico!

[Jehanzeb]

I had an awesome time riding with you all!

Never been there before but is now one of my favorite roads.

Can't wait to do it again......on a weekday :)

[sr9004u]

Originally posted by malkey
Todays ride was fairly multi-national too. America, France, Canada and England were all represented today. Next time we'll have to get svcat and acer66 to join us. Sorry if I missed anyone. :(
Si'

[bristolbird]

Looks like an adventurous ride, Julia what's the story behind the rabbit?

[smokescreen]

yeah, I think the way the bill was split up was good (per table, instead of just one bill), but next time, we just need to make sure people settle with the house before they get up to stretch their legs. As it were, Julia got stuck hunting people down for more money, and that's just not a stress she was hoping for today.



All in all, a phenominal ride! I'm always happy, when at the end, there are no new scabs forming, or bikes to repair. (save for the occasional Duke dropping parts like they're hot)

[MonsterGrrl]

bristolbird: Looks like an adventurous ride, Julia what's the story behind the rabbit?
Ah... the bunny farm... it seems that someone dropped off half a dozen domestic rabbits at the big turnout we stopped at, and i noticed them munching on the mustard plants on the hill. Being that most ferrell rabbits are a sandy color, I thought it a bit odd to see a white rabbit staring back at me... (am I in wonderland? haha) Anyhoo, he wasn't so keen on being caught, though didn't really try too hard to get away from me, but this little fella was probably the slowest of the bunch (in more ways than one.) I ended up catching him on 2 different occasions, and he was just the sweetest tamest little thing. All the rabbits seemed pretty clean and relatively tame, so they couldn't have been there long. I felt bad just leaving them there... they'll be coyote food soon for sure.

[Buellba Fett]

Originally posted by sr9004u
A was not much faster than B which was a good thing given the conditions, A group had a couple of people on the yellow line going up....and I mean on for the line for quite awhile:eek:



Hmmm... Are you sure that was A group?... There were only five folks total in A group leaving the gas station meet point and once we hit the hills, two spun up to the first rest stop posthaste. And for the short time I did see them, they never put a wheel on the yellow. Leaving the rest stop, heading to the food stop, there seemed to have been some blending of B into A. Two of the initial A group leaders stopped a few times to scout out good photo locations and set up before the B group crested. One A group member had already set off ahead of both groups to position himself to take photos of all riders and a fourth A group rider hung back with the B group to coach two riders. Not sure, but is it possible that it may have been some B group folks you were observing. :confused:

[smokescreen]

He was probably observing me....:o I may have been "hugging" the yellow for some extended periods.

I know, I'm bad...

[Buellba Fett]

Originally posted by smokescreen
He was probably observing me....:o I may have been "hugging" the yellow for some extended periods.

I know, I'm bad...

Aww shucks, yer fergivin'... (Nicky Hayden slurrrp =P~ ). I'm a rider not a hater. :D

[smokescreen]

So here's a not soo quick synapses of the ride, for those less fortunates, not genetically predisposed to leave bed at that early hour (coughMarciacough).... Enjoy, and then regret not being there.

Another ride story for those of you interested in so much tripe; or who have nothing better to do.... Like me!

Since this was to be a "great" ride, and some of our close friends had far to travel to enjoy the ride, we offered lodging and therefore, in excellent company began the days portage to the Start of the ride. On a side note, I had 2.2 miles on my tank today, and wanted to not fill it, and see if I'd pull off the whole day. Did pretty well too.

27 miles later, we arrived at the start point early (for coffee) only to find that we'd been beat by about half a dozen people! That's cool though. So after some caffeine had worked into my veins, I got the group, which had swelled to 23 bikes, 24 people, together for the preride chat.

It's a strange thing to find myself, the "leader" of any activity... But here I was, giving the preride briefing to a group of riders, and everybody actually listening! That's something I will give to these groups, is they do listen when instructions are doled out; whether they chose to remember any of the instructions however....



The ride was split into two groups, with Julia leading the "fast" group A, and me leading the main group B... The ride to the mountain was uneventful, with long 50+ mph sweepers and minimal traffic until a mile or so before our turn off. Once we got out of civilization, the ride was on. I'd seen neither hide nor hair of A group, which was fine by me, and B group quickly dissolved into the mist behind me as I started up the hill.

Glendora Mtn Rd., is a particularly technical road, with enough Esses, to keep a snake confused. It winds it's way up Glendora Mtn (I assume) in spectacular fashion, requiring quite a bit of exercise if you are prone to body language when riding. For you non MC folk, that translates to FUN!!! At the top of the road is a saddle with plenty of parking, so we met up with A there and broad grins were exchanged. Also, Julia found some bunnys to play with. She's a baddass rider, but shes all girl!

I could spend all day, just on GMR, and two of the A group actually went back down to have another go! But it's just a taste of the ride that was to be. At the saddle, we were socked in by fog, but I was diggin it! Just one more challenge! After sufficient wait, we headed up Glendora Ridge Road (GRR) which works it's way across Glendora Ridge, and then along it, offering everything from Hairpins to Esses, to decreasing radius sharpies, and this was our playground! All this, and the first half was SOCKED!!! The fog varied from turn to turn, but at time you would be hard pressed to see the road at all! It was a thrill!! You might have the throttle pinned, and suddenly find yourself blind to what the road has waiting! It was nutts!! Not all enjoyed that aspect, but seriously, this is adventure! Again, I led the B group until I found Julia shooting passing riders, at which point I stopped to chill, and finish the leg with her and Marck!

Brunch was stellar, but getting the bill payed proved more dramatic than I would've liked.. But then, nobody got shot, so... Whatev! We were back on the road and back across GRR to the saddle! At this point a number of our group split to meet other appointments, and avoid having too much fun, whilst Julia herded the rabbits she'd found earlier about, catching the slowest of their number twice, the rest of us stragglers took to GRR again. This time I found myself aboard a KTM Duke II. A radical bike that is sort of the forbear to the modern SM. And was she ever sweet!! What a blast to ride! A totally different beast than the SV, The Duke was probably near 100lbs lighter, and had about a 30 hp deficit, but the ride was glorious! You can do things on that bike that would be soo wrong on a sport bike, or even a cafe racer like my SV. The Suspension is longer, so the ride is looser, but not at all vague. Just DIFFERENT! As I grew accustomed to the Duke's attitude, I began to explore my limits on the bike, leaning it further into corners, and found that, for me, riding this bike was like swinging about a jungle gym! I'd load the front on the entrance to a turn, and suddenly at my turn in, chop brake, and pin throttle and drop on my side through the turn!(don't let the narrative fool you, I'm sure I was slow) And what a ride! Engine braking further loosened the rear's hold on tarmac, but it was always ultimately predictable! Leave it to the Germans to build a bike that can predictably back itself into turns on dry tarmac; it started a revolution in motorsport!! After the ride up GRR, Evan, the Duke's pimp, was sufficiently scared of me crashing his girl, to ask it back for the ride down, but this proved to be an eye opener anyway, as stepping over Avril(my Suzi) introduced me to a bike I'd never known! Suddenly she was smooth, with effortless corner entry, and solid lines... Suddenly she could lean without error, every time! It's crazy how much I learned about my bike in just the time spent on the Duke. Don't mistake what I'm saying as an implication the the Duke was ever underappreciated, quite to the contrary, I want one now! But riding the Duke, is like mud wrestling with your hotty, and in comparo, riding the SV is like seducing said hotty, and must be done with some measure of finesse.

After that interlude, it was back down GMR, which is just as fun downhill as up!! Back down East Fork, with it's high speed sweepers. Julia led this whole section and was passing slower motorists like Rossi passing lap traffic!! Into Azusa (two cops passed heading up the mtn!) and onto the freeway (after a potty and fillup break) for a quick 27 mile jaunt home!! Happily we and our gang of miscreant, found out friggin standing real fruit popsickles, and a homey porch to cool us down, and then it was onto some fine cigars, and my once weekly beer. (which I shared a tiny bit of with Julia)



All in all, what an outstanding day. And I found my new favorite road!

[MonsterGrrl]

Ok... now that you've read Smoke's novel... here are some pics... more soon!
http://www.socalsvriders.org/modules.php?set_albumName=albuz44&op=modload&name=Photo_Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

[Dragonhawk]

Originally posted by MonsterGrrl
Being that most ferrell rabbits are a sandy color, I thought it a bit odd to see a white rabbit staring back at me... (am I in wonderland? haha)
I did notice a tophat and a pocketwatch in the bushes next to him, so you never know...

[TheForce02]

Dang what a story. I am really depressed right now that I couldn't go :(

[NukleoN]

Thanks for organizing the ride you guys....fun stuff...bit tight for my tastes in places but that top unstriped part was pretty fun (once the fog lifted, visibility cleared and we had some sun on the way to brunch). Great lunch...yeah who knew there was mandatory 18% gratuity...for some reason on big group lunches the bill is always short hehe...well sometimes it's way over! :D

Hey Eric and Fuzzyhead..thanks a lot for taking pics..how cool! Love those riding pics...and the leaning pic is great....the bunnies were soooo cuuuuuute....Julia is the Wabbit Whisperer™!

On the way back home I was already on the 210, so I hit ACH and rode to Upper Big T and then to Soledad Canyon and back home...good times...some great sweepers with little breaks in between...we should do a group ride through this section sometime. ;)

Good day overall...nice to meet some more of you peeps and see some familiar faces as well.

[topse7en]

Thanks for the organizing the ride. I had a really fun time riding with everyone and meeting new people. Hope to do that again.

Joop Joop,

Joel

[Jrod]

I had a good time as well, thanks to the organizers, I almost didn't go b/c my allergies were so bad, i am glad i did, i get more confident every time i ride.

Good group to ride with

[Jerm]

Originally posted by smokescreen


Just for future reference on this ride. When you eat at the resteraunt we chose to stop at. Remember, the price of you plate, plus $2 if you drank anything, plus 27%. I know that sounds high, but it's 8.25%(?) for tax, and 18% gratuity. I love you all, and want to eat and be marry, but I definately need your help on this to avoid costly confusions.



Originally posted by Jerm
That's a helluva group you guys have going up :eek:

BTW, that restaurant, they are open pretty early, I don't know why they decided not to open up to 11 am on the last group run from Azusa. There food is also 20x better, along w/ better service then what is found down the road in Mt. Baldy. Ate there at like 9:30 am about 2 weeks ago. Their biker special is pretty good, it's like 5 bucks plus whatever drink you get. I ate there for 7 bucks.

Wish I could roll, have a game at 0800 also #-o

.... and you guys couldn't take my advice [-(

Anyways, sounds like good times, hope to make it out there to join you and the others next run through Azusa :)

[ronnie]

Originally posted by NukleoN
Thanks for organizing the ride you guys....fun stuff...bit tight for my tastes in places but that top unstriped part was pretty fun (once the fog lifted, visibility cleared and we had some sun on the way to brunch). Great lunch...yeah who knew there was mandatory 18% gratuity...for some reason on big group lunches the bill is always short hehe...well sometimes it's way over! :D

Hey Eric and Fuzzyhead..thanks a lot for taking pics..how cool! Love those riding pics...and the leaning pic is great....the bunnies were soooo cuuuuuute....Julia is the Wabbit Whisperer™!

On the way back home I was already on the 210, so I hit ACH and rode to Upper Big T and then to Soledad Canyon and back home...good times...some great sweepers with little breaks in between...we should do a group ride through this section sometime. ;)

Good day overall...nice to meet some more of you peeps and see some familiar faces as well.
+1 Nuke
ACH offers great turns and there are a oouple nice places to relax...Newcomb ranch and Hidden cafe;-)

[smokescreen]

I'd love to do ACH, as it starts in my back yard... But if we did, it'd need to be around a 0800HR (START!!) time, as I'd really like to not be skewered by officers Jackass, and Powertrip. Really, other than the rather rough road conditions, that's the reason I avoid ACH.

[MonsterGrrl]

Ok, all my pics are posted. sorry some are a little blurry... didn't set the shutter fast enough on some. :o oops!
http://www.socalsvriders.org/modules.php?set_albumName=albuz44&op=modload&name=Photo_Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

[ronnie]

Originally posted by MonsterGrrl
Ok, all my pics are posted. sorry some are a little blurry... didn't set the shutter fast enough on some. :o oops!
http://www.socalsvriders.org/modules.php?set_albumName=albuz44&op=modload&name=Photo_Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

I just blurr with emotion when I look at me so sharp;-) Thanks Eric!

Originally posted by smokescreen
I'd love to do ACH, as it starts in my back yard... But if we did, it'd need to be around a 0800HR (START!!) time, as I'd really like to not be skewered by officers Jackass, and Powertrip. Really, other than the rather rough road conditions, that's the reason I avoid ACH.

I am all for it next week-end if there are enough of us willing. I love the ride in the middle of the forest, two lanes road all the way and a great fork emulator testing ride;-)

[sr9004u]

Originally posted by Buellba Fett
Hmmm... Are you sure that was A group?... There were only five folks total in A group leaving the gas station meet point and once we hit the hills, two spun up to the first rest stop posthaste. And for the short time I did see them, they never put a wheel on the yellow. Leaving the rest stop, heading to the food stop, there seemed to have been some blending of B into A. Two of the initial A group leaders stopped a few times to scout out good photo locations and set up before the B group crested. One A group member had already set off ahead of both groups to position himself to take photos of all riders and a fourth A group rider hung back with the B group to coach two riders. Not sure, but is it possible that it may have been some B group folks you were observing. :confused:


It was A for sure I know the names and the bikes of the guilty but I wont name them, I was in the sweep position of A group by accident and was wondering wtf the guilty were doing......I was concerned enough to hang way back from them just in case of disaster...........

When the op arrived for me to hang with Malkey I did for safety reasons, it was really unecessary and Im not being an ass but concerned.

[MonsterGrrl]

Ronnie, I'm a bit confused... I'm not Eric...

....I'm Julia

[fuzzyhead]

Originally posted by sr9004u
It was A for sure I know the names and the bikes of the guilty but I wont name them, I was in the sweep position of A group by accident and was wondering wtf the guilty were doing......I was concerned enough to hang way back from them just in case of disaster...........

When the op arrived for me to hang with Malkey I did for safety reasons, it was really unecessary and Im not being an ass but concerned.


Well there were only five of us that was group A from the beginning of the ride...Me being the 3rd rider...and I must tell you, I'm confused at what you're talking about. I thought you were in group B at the first section of the ride.?

Nice pictures Julia.

My quads are really sore today. More so than usual, anyone else's too?

[sr9004u]

Originally posted by fuzzyhead
Well there were only five of us that was group A from the beginning of the ride...Me being the 3rd rider...and I must tell you, I'm confused at what you're talking about. I thought you were in group B at the first section of the ride.?

Nice pictures Julia.

My quads are really sore today. More so than usual, anyone else's too?


Well it wasnt you, It was riders 4,5 and I was sixth so that should tell you who they were, They should have been in the B group anyways, I could have smoked by them many times but figured I would hang back and see what unfolded. This wasnt on the Glendora road either it was going up the smooth Azusa side, and besides that yellow line had to be damp to boot.

Believe me Im not judging here its just a fact of what I saw and they in my opinion could have been blasted by anything coming around those corners.

I ended up sweeping the A group which Im used to doing anyways

[Dragonhawk]

Originally posted by ronnie
I just blurr with emotion when I look at me so sharp;-) Thanks Eric!

Originally posted by MonsterGrrl
Ronnie, I'm a bit confused... I'm not Eric...

....I'm Julia
Well, can you blame him? I mean we do a lot alike. This last ride, William mixed us up and almost kissed me! :p

[racinteach]

I know I crossed once...gonig up..cause I felt some pressure I did not like..so I waved by....and fell back a bit....guilty and I know I did , but knew what was ahead..I knew I was off that is why I fell back..if it was me then I am gulity I think...

[sr9004u]

Not you Robert, Thanks for the hot tips about the Toy Hauler, Im scanning for a cover now.




Was there more than 2 groups? Which may explain alot. About what I may have thought was A group.

[racinteach]

oh Ok I knew I had been close going up in the morning...

Steve on the cleaner stuff I use is "Thretford" brand...black streak remover, and rubber roof cleaner...

[ronnie]

Originally posted by MonsterGrrl
Ronnie, I'm a bit confused... I'm not Eric...

....I'm Julia

True!:-) So sorry Julia, Now my eyes are blurred with confusion...these excellent picts are from your set. Give back to caesar...:-)

[smokescreen]

sr900, honestly, I think you were near the front of the B group, whch was very big and spread out. The A Group left well before us, and were never in sight.

On Azusa, I croassed the yellow at least twice, as I made the mistake of not concentrating on the ride. Things were in my head, and the ride had not yet centered me as it usually doea... But then, I was bored on Azusa, so I began sight seeing, and naturally, lost track of the curves. So I know I went over coming into a blind left. It was stupid, but honestly, for the vast majority of the time, the whole group was Outstanding. Honestly, I was thrilled by the manners of the riders on this particular trip.

[Dragonhawk]

Originally posted by smokescreen
On Azusa, I croassed the yellow at least twice, as I made the mistake of not concentrating on the ride. Things were in my head, and the ride had not yet centered me as it usually doea... But then, I was bored on Azusa, so I began sight seeing, and naturally, lost track of the curves. So I know I went over coming into a blind left.
You did!?

Now I'm the one who feels stupid. I was right behind you all the way up San Gabriel Canyon and I never noticed you cross double-yellow. Hrm. Weird.

Since I'm so conservative in my riding, it's extraordinarily rare that I cross double-yellow. However, I noticed that I ride way too CLOSE to double-yellow very frequently. Which, of course, can be almost as dangerous. I constantly have to keep myself in check with that: "Hey, Eric, it might be a really bad idea to be leaning over double-yellow through this long blind-left turn." Ohhhhhhh, yeah. Good point!

[sr9004u]

Originally posted by smokescreen
sr900, honestly, I think you were near the front of the B group, whch was very big and spread out. The A Group left well before us, and were never in sight.

On Azusa, I croassed the yellow at least twice, as I made the mistake of not concentrating on the ride. Things were in my head, and the ride had not yet centered me as it usually doea... But then, I was bored on Azusa, so I began sight seeing, and naturally, lost track of the curves. So I know I went over coming into a blind left. It was stupid, but honestly, for the vast majority of the time, the whole group was Outstanding. Honestly, I was thrilled by the manners of the riders on this particular trip.


We were going so slow I was day dreaming about being home vacuuming! It was a good group , I was sweeping a small gruop which included a BLACK 1000S and a BLUE NAKED and another 05 1000S which were in the criss cross brigade......I was thinking I was in A which was making me feel like Mat Maladin on track at Willow:cool:

[smokescreen]

yeah, that was B group, I don't think that there were any 1K's in the A grou, and I know that they didn't take their time once they hit GMR. After all, two of their number were on their way back down for another go whilst B was still bout halfway up. And the front of B wasn't all that slow going up, at least I think I wasn't as there was no one in my rearview until the top. However, behind me, I think the layout of the group was not excellent. I know that a few of the number complained about being held up on GMR, but it's neigh impossible to give everybody the spot they deserve, and happily, GMR is WAY to techy to give many opportunities for safe passing... Which is a must in B group.

[SurfCityHommie]

There were double yellow lines on the road? How could you see them with all of the fog?:)

Besides I just close my eyes and follow the one in front of me, I listen to the sound of the bike in front. The sounds waves coming off the roadside tells me how close I am to the side of the road and I count the time between the exhaust pulses so that way I can determine the distance of the rider in front of me. 8-}

I also use the BOTTS dots to tell me if I get to close to the middle of the road, then I adjust accordingly. If no dots then I just have to open my eyes a little :|

[Burke]

Hmmm. Sounds to me like people are makinga big deal over nothing. I cross the double yellow occasionally... big deal. No one got hurt, no close calls, what's the big deal. We all breaksome law or another going up these roads from time to time. Who DIDN'T speed or go faster than would be considered safe for the conditions? If you cross the double yellow, that's your problem and you are taking the risk. I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. It isn't like anyone was doing wheelies in the middle of the road or endangering anyone else. If the people were overtaking on the other side of th lines and putting other rider at risk then that's a diffrent story. Otherwise, give it up. What's the big deal?

[smokescreen]

who says I didn't wheely in the middle of the road?! Maybe I did? Think I'm skeered!!???

Your right Burke. The ride was awesome, and really about the sanest group ride I've been on in a while, so I liked it!! And I'll do it again!

[Dragonhawk]

Originally posted by Burke
I cross the double yellow occasionally... big deal. No one got hurt, no close calls, what's the big deal. We all breaksome law or another going up these roads from time to time. Who DIDN'T speed or go faster than would be considered safe for the conditions? If you cross the double yellow, that's your problem and you are taking the risk. I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. It isn't like anyone was doing wheelies in the middle of the road or endangering anyone else. If the people were overtaking on the other side of th lines and putting other rider at risk then that's a diffrent story. Otherwise, give it up. What's the big deal?
Crossing double-yellow is not confined to just being "your problem" as a rider. Around blind-curves, the act greatly endangers yourself AND oncoming traffic on the road. Therefore, it is a very big deal to avoid crossing it for any sane and conscientious motorcyclist.