Back Protectors and Body Armor

[mistermiata13]

Does anyone here use a back protector when they ride? I will be commuting to work once I get comfy on the freeways, so I thought I might want more protection for my Aerostich suit.

I currently have a 2-piece Aerostich and a set of Joe Rocket Phoenix jacket and pants. The JR jacket has an integrated back protector.

Has anyone used the Bohn back protector? How about the Aerostich protector, although it's only made of soft foam with a small bit of plastic support.

Thanks for your help!

Aaron

[Bugg77]

Hey Aaron

I just stick to whatever happens to be in my jacket. I've got two JR jackets and one AGV leather jacket... all of which have back protectors in them.

I don't really see the need to go out of your way to add another back protector. But you have to do whatever makes you feel safest.

[bwarbiany]

Oddly enough, my Dainese jacked doesn't have one. I might try to get one sewn in after a while. But I wouldn't really need to wear one if the jacket had one (like your JR phoenix)...

BTW I heard from someone that dumped with a JR Phoenix that it held up really well... I know some people have had a little problem believing that the mesh would stand up to heavy abrasion, but it does...

Brad

[mistermiata13]

Actually I want the back protector for the Aerostich suit. I am satisfied with the JR back protector and have read that it holds up well in the unfortunate event of a crash. My Aerostich is lacking any back protection and I just want to be ready in case anything happens while I'm wearing it.

That said, anyone know a good back protector? I hear the Bohn is good due to the CE certification.

Aaron

[Burst]

A fellow SV rider had a wreck on the 2nd (same day I wrecked) He was not as fortunate as I was with the results.

Everyone should at least drop a note to wish him well.

http://www.svrider.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=5936&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[bwarbiany]

Anyone interested in doing a group buy on back protectors? I've wanted one for a while now, but I think this story is kinda pushing me a little harder to actually get one...

[Burst]

I was sorta thinking the same thing....

[Monte]

I definitely want to get a back protector. What type were you thinking? Something like Knox or Dainese?

[Burst]

something like that. I don't know too much about them. All I know is something is better than nothing.

[Orpheos]

Funny,
I was driving in this morning before I read this thinking. Ya know, I broke my back on my dirtbike. I wonder if I should get a back protector? I'm in. Just let me know the details.

[stough]

Actually, after reading that post, I checked out back protectors at NewEnough.com. They have an Alpinestar which looks really good and a Technic which looks acceptable and much more affordable.

Anyhow, the only way that I'd use a back protector regularly is if it was installed into my regular riding gear rather than being a separate piece. Actually, Aerostich suits have velcro in the back for generalized back protectors. This whole thread got me thinking that I should take the plunge and get the Aerostich and a back-protector. I'm sure that any back protector could be adapted to fit in the back of an Aerostich (with a bit of velcro).

I'd be in for a group buy of a back protector, anyone interested in a Aerostich group buy. The suits are regularly $700-ish, maybe we could get them down to $600....

Later,
Tim.

[doub1etap]

I've wanted a back protector for a while. After reading that post, it's time. The Alpinestars one looks very good.

[2KSV650]

sounds smart. I'm In!:cool: Let me know the best place to by. Otherwise i can get 10-15% off at Alba Actionsports Suzuki/Yamaha:D

[marveyhushman]

Are you guys talking about the spinal protectors that are worn under the jacket -- the ones worn like a backpack -- or the ones that slide into the pouch sewn into most jackets?

Both look like plastic/abs vertebrae but the backpack kind tend to be a bit longer and protect the lumbar spine nearly to the sacrum (tail bone).

I use the Dainese insert type. It comes to about the 3rd or forth lumbar vertebrae and fits into my jacket's special pocket. I've always worn a back protector. I guess I'm confused. Are you guys saying you aren't using anything right now? Please don't take that as being judgmental. I just thought everyone wore something. If not, I'd recomend getting it.

[doub1etap]

I don't know if it really matters if it's in the pocket or strapped to the back, as long as its made of a hard plastic to help distribute the shock of a collision across the back. I think most jackets come with some kind of memory foam armor. I would think that the foam would help if you fell flat on your back, but not hitting something sharp like a curb.
I have no science to back me up though.

[Setter32]

.....you guys should get back protectors and rib protectors........and let us not forget the leathers.......

....I got the thin gel type.............for the back and ribs..........very comfortable and thin........

....they are custom made for your build.....

....I've already crash tested them.............so yes.........they are also very durable....

....if you want info.......let me know.....


:D

[Rocko]

Yeah, I would definitely get something from one of the european manufacturers (dainese, alpinestars, knox). . .at least they have to pass a test (CE certification). If it's made anywhere else, who knows how good it is?

R

[Troy]

Does the back protector simply disperse the energy from an impact to the spine? I haven't seen one up close, but I'm thinking it'd be a good idea to wear one.

[bwarbiany]

Originally posted by marveyhushman
I guess I'm confused. Are you guys saying you aren't using anything right now? Please don't take that as being judgmental. I just thought everyone wore something. If not, I'd recomend getting it.

My JR phoenix jacket has a softer foam one... My Dainese jacket has nothing... Unfortunately I don't wear one most of the time, whenever it's too cold to wear the JR jacket...

I've found that the SV riders I know, as a group, are more judgemental of people wearing proper gear than some of the other folks I've met, but back protectors actually are not all that common unless they're already provided in the jacket, which isn't super-common...

But all it takes is one story like this to make me want one...

[manek1]

i ride a dainese with my textile jacket. i actually use velcro strips to secure inside my jacket so i don't have to take it on and off. it really does make you feel safer when you ride. they're just meant to disperse the impact away from your spine. if you jack-knife your body on a light pole it won't help much.

kinda like a helmet....the actual crash won't kill you, it's what your body slides into that will do the damage.

[doub1etap]

Man.. I don't want to die. That would really ruin my day.

So depressing. :(


Is anyone working on a group buy?

[Burst]

I'll see what kind of deal we can get from Dyno-Dudes and Xzonesports.

Does anyone else know of any shops that may cut us a deal for a group buy?

[Monte]

Originally posted by bwarbiany
...

I've found that the SV riders I know, as a group, are more judgemental of people wearing proper gear than some of the other folks I've met, but back protectors actually are not all that common unless they're already provided in the jacket, which isn't super-common...

...
Really? I was kind of thinking the opposite might be true. Hadn't really given it much thought, though.

My Vanson jacket has absolutely no back armor, the JR Phoenix has some soft armor, and my leathers also only have a little bit of soft stuff, so I definitely would like to get one that you wear separately.

As far as the Knox protectors go, which is the best one to get? The Race model? I'm having trouble finding what exactly the differences are between the different models.

[Punkbrad]

i just now bought the one that fits into the pouch in my teknic jacket from new enough. 15 bux is better than nothing..

lets do this barbeque thing.. it sounds like a good deal.. count me in for whatever i can help with..

Pb

[Orpheos]

Like PB said. I'm game to help. Let us know what the plan is.

[Burst]

BBQ? Wrong thread guys..... :D

Look a few threads down for

*I need your feedback* posted by NateDawg

[Orpheos]

Ah, got mezmerized by all the posts. Guess I need to wake up. Whoops.

[GetnJgyWitit]

count me in on a back protector as well.

[Knightshade]

Have any of you guys seen the one that spidi makes called the airback? Its got a vertebrae type look to it, with air cushions and stuff.

http://www2.spidiusa.com/images-products/6lg.jpg

[TIFOSO]

I've got a teknic 7 plate back protector that I use all the time. At first it was a little uncomfortable but after a while I got used to it. I like it, but I think I'd be interested in one that has the shoulder straps and fits better.

[carver]

I have a dainese like the spidi knightshadeblue posted. I like the kidney belt support on long rides.


Allen

[Monte]

Originally posted by KnightshadeBlue
Have any of you guys seen the one that spidi makes called the airback? Its got a vertebrae type look to it, with air cushions and stuff.

http://www2.spidiusa.com/images-products/6lg.jpg
I don't know how well this one works, but it's one of the best looking ones I've seen. :D

[NukleoN]

I know why this dude injured his back now...his post reads, 'Keep the rubber side up' at the end. I think this is part of the problem. No really...I feel bad for him and think a back protector is a damned good idea right about now.

[91Vette]

Wow, that is a heck of a wake up call for me. I picked up my SVS last July after a several year layoff from motorcycles. After a few months of riding in shorts and t-shirts, I finally got a helmet (Illinois does not have a helmet law), JR Phoenix Gloves, and a JR Ballistic jacket. It wasn't as if I didn't know that you need protective gear. It's taught in the MSF class and it's common sense.

Where I live, it is an oddity to see someone in a JR Ballistic jacket like mine. I have never seen someone in full leathers. The closest that you would get is a Harley type with a leather jacket & chaps.

The guys I ride with don't wear protective gear. They poke fun at my jacket, helmet, etc. Peer pressure doen't mean a thing to me when compared with the injuries that I could sustain without a helmet or other gear.

For me, I won't ride without my protective gear ... and that's no guarantee.

[Seventh Trump]

The DEFINITIVE statement on back protectors.

Some of you are aware that nearly three years ago, I suffered a catastrophic back injury where I disintegrated my L5 vertebre and broke the L4 & S1. I subsequently have had to have spinal fusion surgeries to secure the area.

I had CE back armor in my jacket, but my injuries were indicative of the short comings of back protectors. They can protect against abrasions and light impact. However, my impact was so severe that I have been advised that there is no armor available that would have significantly decreased the level of burst impact I suffered.

I do not want to overly pontificate about this and more armor protection the better, but just don't think that you will be invulnerable because none of us are Superman!

Just my $ .02!

Steve

[rb643]

What do you guys think about the Alpinestar back protector?
Paul at New Enough seems to like them.

http://www.newenough.com/accessories/armor.htm

[ersigh]

Originally posted by bwarbiany
Anyone interested in doing a group buy on back protectors? I've wanted one for a while now, but I think this story is kinda pushing me a little harder to actually get one...

I may be interested. I've been wanting a backprotector for awhile. I got someone who can get me a decent deal on the pants for hein gericke jacket, so part of my plan was to get boots and a backprotector as well ...

It'll depend on what brand (when people pop up specific ones as ideas, I'll make a list and go to the places around here and give a few a try for fit) ... and the cost.

[ersigh]

Originally posted by bwarbiany
My JR phoenix jacket has a softer foam one... My Dainese jacket has nothing... Unfortunately I don't wear one most of the time, whenever it's too cold to wear the JR jacket...

I've found that the SV riders I know, as a group, are more judgemental of people wearing proper gear than some of the other folks I've met, but back protectors actually are not all that common unless they're already provided in the jacket, which isn't super-common...

But all it takes is one story like this to make me want one...

Weird ... to be judgemental about wearing proper gear. On what basis are the judgements????? :confused:

I dont' ride with SV peeps much, but a lot of the people I have ridden with up here wear back protectors. In general, riders seem more aware of general safety up here ...

[sarge]

i want a back protector too!!! my jackets don't have them, just my leathers.

[pfletch]

I have a Joe Rocket (pheonix I think) with a foam back protector in it, di the back protector you are talking about offer more ptotection than that?

[ersigh]

Originally posted by rb643
What do you guys think about the Alpinestar back protector?
Paul at New Enough seems to like them.

http://www.newenough.com/accessories/armor.htm

I think Paul likes anything he's selling.

(just my opinion)

[Burst]

Originally posted by ersigh
I think Paul likes anything he's selling.

(just my opinion)

I think you are right to an extent. His mini-reviews of each item are ALL positive and make the product look good, but he does seem to put in a little extra praise when he is particularly impressed with a specific item.

[Guzzigirl2000]

foam protectors are better than nothing but CE protection is optimal. I always wear my Dianese Backspace- Space S, except when going to work. It's got shoulder straps and it's quite comfortable. In fact feels like something not quite right when i am not wearing it.

got it from Paul at www.mcaleicester.co.uk - $85 if remember correctly.

[Setter32]

....for those of you who prefer a back protector that is so comfortable.....that you don't even know it's there.........

.....as I said before...........there is a gel back protector........."Impact safe armor"..........it is extremely comfortable........custom made........conforms to the shape of your back........got 4 stars out of 5 from motorcyclist magazine..........worn by Edward Collins and other racers........

...it is thin.......and slip nicely under your jacket..........

....an alternative for those of you who likes comfort along with protection........

....you also have an option of getting a rib protector.....which I have.........they are a good combo.....

....just something to think about...........the ribs are also important to protect.......since when broken..........they can puncture your vital organs.......

....what ever brand you get...........they are deff worth the investment.......


:D

[Setter32]

do not want to overly pontificate about this and more armor protection the better, but just don't think that you will be invulnerable because none of us are Superman!

....couldn't agree more........

.....ultimately............no matter how much armor you have on............the best protection....is your brain........

....don't forget to use it..........


:D


PS: ....lots of practice on your techniques helps too............and I don't mean wheelies.......


:D

[Golden_Eternity]

Rod, if they're custom, where do we get 'em? Sounds good to me.

[Setter32]

Rod, if they're custom, where do we get 'em? Sounds good to me.


http://impactarmor.homestead.com/

....if you have any questions.......call them up and ask away.....

....very good customer support............and they'll walk you through the whole process......

....it will take a while for you to get your armor.........since it is custom.....

....be patient through the process..........it's well worth it.......


:D


PS: ....the armor meets or exceed the europeans CE specs...........as claimed on their web site............info for those of you who cares about such.......


:D

[Stinky]

Originally posted by Setter32
[Bworn by Edward Collins and other racers........

:D [/B]

That would be Colin Edwards Setter:grin:

Anyways...I was wearing a back protector when I broke my back in November. Because of the way I impacted, I don't think it would've made a difference. But when I start riding again, I'm definitely going to get a new one and will shell out the extra cash for the best protection. I was really lucky my injury wasn't as bad as it could've been.

Very sad about Seatown. I remember seeing him on the old boards. My prayers go out to him.

[Setter32]

That would be Colin Edwards Setter

....I can state his last name first if I want to.....

...and I can misspell his first name if I please....

....why?......

....because it's my freakin post......

....

......bastard.......



:D

[GetnJgyWitit]

ok so is there going to be a group buy on these or no?

[Setter32]

...jigy....

....cool avatar.....


:D

[Knightshade]

Originally posted by GetnJgyWitit
ok so is there going to be a group buy on these or no?

seriously, Ive been wondering the same thing.

[Burst]

sorry guys... sorta dropped the ball on this one. I'll call Dyno Dudes today and I'll also stop in at Xzonesports when I get into SD. I'll post their quotes this afternoon.

[Orpheos]

Cool,
I'm in for it.

[Monte]

Me, too. Gregg, what kind of protectors were you going to be checking prices on? Oh, and when is this back protector BBQ thing? :D

[Burst]

BBQ was another thread...

But I suppose we could do a BBQ so that everyone can pick up the back protectors...

still checking on prices.

Dyno-dudes quoted me $49 for the teknic 7 panel w/kidney belt. You can see it on Newenoughs armor page. Same price as newenough but we don't have to pay any shipping.

[Monte]

Hehe...yeah, I know the BBQ was another thread...but any exuse for a BBQ, y'know? ;)

[jl_moped]

I use the Helimot Turtle Lighter Version back protector. It has a thick foam and hard vertebra sections. There is a channel down the back to create extra room for the back bone (for cooling and spread the energy on impact). Even though it is thick, it is tappered on the top, so it does not feel bulky. Take a look, it is another option. Judging by the custom suit they made, this can not be a bad design.

http://www.helimot.com/catalog/other_items/tlv_data.shtml

-JL

[Knightshade]

how about the alpinestars or spidi?

or even the knox.

[bwarbiany]

I'd prefer to put it on hold a few weeks until I get married and have money again!!!

Of course, I think I'm going to try to buy a condo ASAP, so that might not work... Anyone have recommendations for cheap, nice places in south OC?

[GetnJgyWitit]

This is the NJK one, I took a look at it today and it looked really nice. It was ventilated really well and very thin and light. The website says that it is 60 bucks, but dyno dudes wanted 99 for it.:confused:

[ersigh]

do they make them so there's a bit more protection on the sides as well? or is that asking too much?

[GetnJgyWitit]

well even the part that wasn't hard plastic covering the spine still was padded. you can kinda see it in the pics.

[Knightshade]

Originally posted by ersigh
do they make them so there's a bit more protection on the sides as well? or is that asking too much?


This is about the best that I've come across. It's the Knox KC2000 X1, CE armor, etc., etc. Kneedraggers has them for $160 and that's the cheapest I've seen.

But, you have to ask yourself, is protecting my spine, kidneys worth $160? I would think so.

[ersigh]

Originally posted by KnightshadeBlue
This is about the best that I've come across. It's the Knox KC2000 X1, CE armor, etc., etc. Kneedraggers has them for $160 and that's the cheapest I've seen.

But, you have to ask yourself, is protecting my spine, kidneys worth $160? I would think so.

Hell yeah, especially seeing as I thought protectors were like 200 bux ... 160 doesn't seem so bad.

[Mizen]

I'm in for the group buy!

[Knightshade]

Can we at least get a concensus on which back protector we're looking at? I think that will be the first step.

I for one, want to seriously look at the Knox KC2000 X1.

But, if we don't get a general agreement on which back protectors we want to look at, this thread is going to continue to go nowhere.

[Burst]

Xzone quoted me $110 for the Alpinestars backprotector. That is if we order roughly a dozen of them....

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/photos/OG/g1209.jpg

[Burst]

Originally posted by KnightshadeBlue
This is about the best that I've come across. It's the Knox KC2000 X1, CE armor, etc., etc. Kneedraggers has them for $160 and that's the cheapest I've seen.

But, you have to ask yourself, is protecting my spine, kidneys worth $160? I would think so.

The KNox looks great but it does not look like it would be very flexible. I want to protect my spine but not sacrifice any movement /range of motion. That thing looks pretty rigid.

[Burst]

Originally posted by jl_moped
I use the Helimot Turtle Lighter Version back protector. It has a thick foam and hard vertebra sections. There is a channel down the back to create extra room for the back bone (for cooling and spread the energy on impact). Even though it is thick, it is tappered on the top, so it does not feel bulky. Take a look, it is another option. Judging by the custom suit they made, this can not be a bad design.

http://www.helimot.com/catalog/other_items/tlv_data.shtml

-JL

That one looks really nice.....

[Burst]

Posted a poll with our options for back protectors. EVERYONE vote so we can get this ball rolling. I will work on getting the best price for the protector with the most votes by mid-week next week.

POLL-CLICK HERE (http://www.socalsvriders.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=26354#post26354)

[crashgirl]

Well here are links to all the protectors on th poll.
Helimot (http://www.helimot.com/catalog/other_items/tlv_data.shtml)
Alpinestars (http://alpinestars.com/v2/products/ridingwear/accessories/images/techbackprotec.jpg)
Knox (http://www.bikersclothing.co.uk/products/knox_protection.shtml)
Spidi (http://www.kneedraggers.com/index.php?partno=35-SPIDI-AIRBACK)
NJK (http://www.njkleathers.com/bp.html)

[chukiechz]

so is there a back protector that would fit in the space provided in my jacket? (alpinestars dyno). The foam in there now seems very weak, so Id like to upgrade. I would prefer something integrated into the jacket though.

[Setter32]

Originally posted by chukiechz
so is there a back protector that would fit in the space provided in my jacket? (alpinestars dyno). The foam in there now seems very weak, so Id like to upgrade. I would prefer something integrated into the jacket though.

...the guy that did my gel back and chest protectors does custom jobs...........give him the measurements........or send him the jacket........and he'll do one up for ya........

....I gave a link to his site earlier on this thread.........

...warning.........it won't be cheap........

....my set........cost close to $300 with tax.....

....but his work is excellent.....

....yours will probably be less than $200 though........I'm just guessing.....

...good luck.....



:D

[chukiechz]

setter: I dont know if this was asked already, but how does the custom gel protector compare to the hard plastic? My gut feeling would be that the plastic ones would protect better

[Setter32]

Originally posted by chukiechz
setter: I dont know if this was asked already, but how does the custom gel protector compare to the hard plastic? My gut feeling would be that the plastic ones would protect better

....not necessarily.....

....the armor is CE certified.........so you know it meets minimum europeans standard.......

....the gel is very hard.........but soft at the same time.........it's hard to explain..........because of this........it may even do a better job at energy dissipation......

....it conforms to your body with heat.........the heat given off by your body..........so it fits well and is very comfortable.......

....it has been crash tested by racers........and they liked it......

...Edwards wears it.............so that should tell you something.....

....go to their site.........lay down your concerns..........the guy that makes them is a real nice individual..............he'll talk your ears off..........he'll be more than happy to answer all of your questions.....

......

....damn..........I should be their sales rep.....


:D

[chukiechz]

hmm, I may look into this futher. Gotta wait til after the IRS rapes me, then I might get one made to fit in my jacket.

[Setter32]

....while you're at it........I recommend that you also look into something to protect the chest area.....

....recent developments.........makes this more pertinent.......

....hopefully.....you'll never need either.......



:D

[Burst]

helimot makes a couple of chest protectors. THey are also supposed to help make it more comfy when leaning against the tank in full tuck.

[Setter32]

Originally posted by Burst
helimot makes a couple of chest protectors. THey are also supposed to help make it more comfy when leaning against the tank in full tuck.

.....yeah........the Hemilot looks real nice......

...and if I didn't already have protections...........I would probably go with the Hemilot....


:D

[Burst]

Helimot got back to me and offed a 10% discount for our group. Each individual price depends on the rider since their protectors and sized to fit each person.

[cbrsmurf]

I'm in...


how bout we all vote to see which one we want or how much we want to spend soon?


Personally, I don't want to spend more than 120 bucks.

[oren]

I just got a Bohn back protector from White Buffalo Racing last month for $160. I haven't actually used it for riding yet since I've only been doing commuting on my bike recently. However, it does look and fit pretty good and it has all the armor you could want. I just picked that one since I went up to Willow Springs and was able to purchase it from White Buffalo right there.

[Burst]

Originally posted by cbrsmurf
I'm in...


how bout we all vote to see which one we want or how much we want to spend soon?


Personally, I don't want to spend more than 120 bucks.

There is a poll on the main page. Most of us have already voted. It looks like it is going to be the Helimot. You can find the poll here...

vote here (http://www.socalsvriders.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=2449)

[zepTT]

Count me in on a group buy for Dainese or Alpinestars or Sidi.

Thanks,
zane

[2KSV650]

will knneedragers give a multi buy discount? $160 seems to be the right price, and yes that's a lot cheaper than a broken back!:eek: Well do we order online or where are they located?

[3_AM]

Gregg-

I just bought a jacket from the Dainese shop in Belgium (it's in the online shops list I think). I had nothing but great service and it was delivered here in 2 days.

Anyway, I'm thinking the sales manager would probably cut us a good discount on the back protectors. How many people do you think are interested so I could give him an idea?

Thanks,
ambrose

[doub1etap]

Put me down for 2 back protectors. Whichever wins the popularity contest.

[GetnJgyWitit]

put me down for one! :D

[Troy]

I'll take one of the Helimots. Just lemme know when you're placing the order, when you need the $$s, etc.

[Knightshade]

Got this from a guy over at svrider.com regarding the Heliomot


I like the TLV a lot. It has a very wide and strong velco elastic waist strap. It hasn't moved on me. During my lowside, I didn't land on my back, so I couldn't say how well it performed. But based on everything Helimot makes and carries, I have no doubt it is a good product. I have tried the Knox, but it was hotter on the back, very bulky at the shoulder and it didn't fit well under my suit. My suit was made without back protector in mind, but with the TLV on, it was just a little bit tighter.

I went to their store and bought it there. The protector comes in three different sizes and they tailored the strape for my waist size. They have very good service and they do mail order as well.

[Cooker]

I got a vanson metal plate back protector which fits in my vanson jacket.

The best part is, I don't notice the stiffness and what is there, actually feels good, downright theraputic. Even when I was breaking in the jacket for 2 weeks, I took out all the hard armor except for the back protector. I wish my other clothes had this kind of built-in lumbar support ;-)

I'm sure I'll get a real tailbone-to-nape harness back protector, but I wanted something built-into the jacket. Hell, I would lose my 10 lbs gut, just so I could wear 2 back protectors.

When is somebody going to invent the second helmet, a big-ass styrofoam ball like the Jack-in-the-box head? I'd wear it.

Cook

[DriftinS14]

Hey guys,

I was looking into getting a back protector but was wondering if anyone makes hard replacements for the soft foam ones that come in most jackets. I have an alpinestars jacket and I feel that the foam insert that it came with just isn't enough. I dont really want to have to strap on a back protector and then the jacket, so if its possible to get one INSIDE the jacket I would be really happy. Any thoughts?

Thanks guys,
_justin

[chrdog]

these would be some of the better replacements:
http://www.johnsonleather.com/armor/

[JPJP]

Originally posted by Burst
A fellow SV rider had a wreck on the 2nd (same day I wrecked) He was not as fortunate as I was with the results.

Everyone should at least drop a note to wish him well.

http://www.svrider.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=5936&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

I have a limited back protector in my joe rocket jacket, but the larger dianese (SP?) or the tecnic looks pretty good - (Tried it on - the other day, but decided to hold off -- )

Just another piece of gear, I don't mind getting one at all... in fact - I'll have to pick up one very soon.. very soon, indeed..

(guess, I'll pick up the Apex Tourmaster pants AND the back protector..)

Now all I need is the Cortech Impulse, but it's so freakin' hot here in LA during the day!!!!


Btw - even though I don't have an SV, can I still hang out with yaz?

[LaPiñaLoca]

anybody heard of this company?

http://www.highvelocitygear.com/armor.html

aaron

[Stinky]

I just received my TLV backprotector (http://www.helimot.com/catalog/other_items/tlv_data.shtml) from www.helimot.com up in San Jose. At first I thought it was too thick and not gonna fit under my Speedmaster jacket but once I tried it on it fit perfectly. I broke my back 2yrs ago so I was kinda looking for something good. I've read about Bohn and the other ones but I guess I kinda bought into these guys' design.

[Tillers_Rule]

When I commute I use the built in foam back protector thats in my jacket. When I ride the canyons(yea, I need to get back out there, I know) I wear a dainese 8-element under my leathers.

[gigs]

i like that Armor that LaPina posted. i've got that as my next buy.

[JPJP]

New Enough's selection of body armor (http://www.newenough.com/product_group_misc_body_armor.htm)

http://www.newenough.com/product_pictures/a/armor_teknic_seven_plate_back_protector/7plate.jpg

They have these locally and I'm going to pick up one next pay check - 65.00 ish seems like cheap protection - had one on -- fit nicely.

These are 125 and look like they'd be more stable -

http://www.newenough.com/product_pictures/a/armor_alpinestars_tech_series_back_protector/large.jpg

http://www.newenough.com/product_pictures/a/armor_alpinestars_tech_series_back_protector/shoulder.jpg


This looks like it'd hold my, er, ah, um, "Six pack" yeah that's it.. bettter.

[velocitygear]

Hello.

Found this board using our website tracking software. Thought I would drop in and provide some useful information on back protection/body armor.

We currently offer the lowest cost Level 2 armor in the World. If you are unfamiliar with CE certification let's just say there isn't anything currently available from Dainese, Joe Rocket, Bohn, Helimot, Alpinestars, Spidi, etc,etc that will surpass Level 2 in terms of impact absorption. Let me go on to say that a majority of these same companies use their customers lack of knowledge on CE certification to their advantage.


If a company offers a product that is CE certified my guess is that most consumers will take that as being the pinnacle of protection. Unfortunately, nothing could be further from the truth.

If a company offers a CE certified back protector you need to find out what CE certification it has received. Currently CE EN1621-2 LEVEL 2 is the pinnacle for back protection. One step below this is EN1621-2 LEVEL 1. The difference between these two is roughly 50%. That is Level 1 absorbs 50% LESS than Level 2. Pretty big difference for just one number. Furthermore, old CE standards exist that are far below EN1621-2 and some companies will use these CE standards to call their protective gear "certified". Obviously, you want to stay away from anything that is certified below En1621-2.


Here is a link to more information on CE certification

http://www.highvelocitygear.com/CE_information.html

Our body armor is cheap in terms of cost, mainly because we don't hire factory riders or spend thousands on full page magazine ads. As with all of the major players in the apparel game, the customer is paying not only for the product but for rider salaries and huge advertising costs.

Basically, if a company doesn't specify exactly which Ce certification their armor falls under then you might want to look elsewhere. Any company that doesn't Ce certify their armor (Helimot and Bohn for instance) should not even be considered for personal protection. Bohn actually claims to have their armor built to Ce standards but they don't actually have their product tested. Sounds Great!! Lets see, I have a new helmet coming out that's "built" to SNELL standards but it's not actually tested. Any takers????

I have also heard of Helimot doing demonstrations of their back protector with a hammer, not too convincing in my book.

Whatever you do, do your research before buying in to the BS that's out there. The big players are taking advantage of their customers, seriously overcharging and hiding behind "unknown" standards.

Here's a review of our armor in case anyone's interested.

http://www.cbrworld.net/global/cbrworld.asp

If anyone has a question about CE certification please feel free to send us an email at support@highvelocitygear.com


__________________
www.highvelocitygear.com

The Lowest Cost Level 2 Armor in the World

[chrdog]

i noticed on the cbr review site that on the bottom they listed:
• CE EN1621-2 "Level 2"
• CE EN 1621-1 "Level 1" Injection molded elbow, forearm, shoulder, and chest protection

what exactly is rated to CE lvl2? the back? thats the only pad left right? is there lvl 2 armor under the lvl 1 armor in those places (arms shoulder etc...)? i do like that it has some chest protection though.

if they fudged the review you should probably tell them.

it'd be nice to see a side by side comparison of how much energy your product dissapates vs the helimot and the bohn if hit with a hammer or a bat.

by the way, you shouldnt bash other peoples products if you got faith in yours. makes you sound like a used car salesman.

[Aeteocles]

The only armor section that is level 2 certified is the back. Everything else is level one. The implication is that arms and shoulders and knees can survive higher impact stress whereas the back is a relatively fragile structure.

While admittedly level 2 certification for the price is very good, I wish manufacturers would publish actual energy absorption rates rather than "levels" of certifications. That is, if two products both recieve level 2 certification, I still want to know the exact numbers of energy transfer so that I can pick the better of the two products. This complaint also applies to helmet Snell certifications--yes, most helmets are snell certified, but I'm sure if you made a helmet with 50% more foam material inside...or even vary the densities of polystrene foam inside, you'd achieve higher levels of protection that far exceed snell.

[license2ill]

There's 2 different standards:

1621-1 for limb/joint impact protectors

There's 3 levels of performance based on impact energy for limb/joint pieces:

basic: 50J

high-performance: 75J

extreme performance: 100J

All must pass less than 35kN of force, at all three levels.


The back protector standard is 1621-2

2 levels of performance based on force transmisison, using the same impact energy:

LEVEL 1, basic: 18kN@50J

LEVEL 2, high performance: 9kN@50J

The Velocity Gear jersey is said to have a 1621-2 Level 2 back protector and 1621-1 Level 1 limb protectors.

[velocitygear]

"by the way, you shouldnt bash other peoples products if you got faith in yours. makes you sound like a used car salesman."

I'm really not trying to bash any other products, I'm more after supplying the comsumer with information that is most likely unknown. Both Helimot and Bohn dance around CE certification and use the excuse that CE certification is too costly to achieve. Unfortunately, that is simply not the case. I can't say as to why they don't certify their armor, cost can't be considered an issue especialyl if they place ad's in magazines. One magazine ad could get a whole product line tested in terms of overall cost.

While it's not perfect, CE certification is better than a guestimate.

FYI- any posts by License2ill should be considered very seriously. He knows his stuff when it comes to CE certification and has gone out of his way on other boards to explain the CE rating game.

[chrdog]

you do bring up a good point about the advertising. i would like to hear their side of the story though.

the real problem i find in current spine armor selection is the fact that they basically just protect the spine from direct impact injuries. ill go out on a limb here and say most spine injuries are not caused by direct impact to the spine, but more likely due to a shoulder or hip impact that twists the spine. im not sure if this could even be adressed without using annoying and restrictive braces. if someone could come up with something for that, id definitely order it.

i know your product has passed the CE tests, but does it exceed it? reason being is that i have been looking for some replacement armor for my suit for a while now. the leading contender for my bucks is the stuff that johnson leather sells on their site. they publish their actual test results as opposed to just saying we passed the CE tests. yes its more expensive, but for DOUBLE the protection of the CE level aplicable to the body part, ill pay a few extra bucks. can you post your results? im not being patronizing when i say any of this btw. your stuff is alot cheaper so id glady buy your armor if you can give me some numbers here.

[Stinky]

Originally posted by chrdog

the real problem i find in current spine armor selection is the fact that they basically just protect the spine from direct impact injuries. ill go out on a limb here and say most spine injuries are not caused by direct impact to the spine, but more likely due to a shoulder or hip impact that twists the spine.

I don't know about the stats, but that is exactly how I broke my back. I was wearing a Teknic 4 plate protector when it happened. I know it isn't much but the way I impacted the tire wall caused my body to kinda hyper flex my spine. I went in head first. I tucked my chin when I saw it coming and most of the imact brushed the back of my helmet and hit me hard on my upper back/right shoulder, flexing my whole body.
Don't think any back protector, CE certified or not, would have prevented it.

[velocitygear]

"Don't think any back protector, CE certified or not, would have prevented it"

Unfortunately, there are limitations on what body armor will do.

We have been waiting to get the testing results for our armor and have finally received it. We will be posting this information on our website asap.

Our Armor exceeds Level 2 testing requirements with an impact test result of 4.49kn

[LaPiñaLoca]

I received the back protector from Velocity Gear yesterday, tried it on today. It seems to be made of similar (same?) materials as other manufacturers. It's slightly uncomfortable standing up, fits perfect in a slight crouch. Seems very sturdy, hopefully I won't be able to attest to it's protective abilities.

aaron

p.s. they shipped really really really fast, i had the product within three working days.

[Baalzimon]

I got the 7 link one and I feel safer with it on.

it also covers your tailbone, kidneys and shoulder blades.

Back Protector (http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/35-TEK04-06)

[Hiszpan]

during my last wisit in Berlin i bought back protector. nice thing! price some 25 EUR

[Noahrob]

http://www.southbayriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3537&goto=nextoldest


Just thought this was some good info..

[dillweed]

Originally posted by LaPiñaLoca
I received the back protector from Velocity Gear yesterday, tried it on today. It seems to be made of similar (same?) materials as other manufacturers. It's slightly uncomfortable standing up, fits perfect in a slight crouch. Seems very sturdy, hopefully I won't be able to attest to it's protective abilities.
.
Pics please?


I have tried several different ones -----

1) Bohn Pro Race.......very form-fitting, feels good, but I question the placement of the "pads", because depending on how you land on the ground, the pad you hit might put stress on your body. I put it on and then "fell" on my carpet, and if I hit at an angle, it would hit the corners of the pads and they would sort of "hurt" more because they directed the energy to my body.

2) Dainese "armadillo dinasour style" (don't remember the name)......flexible, doesn't take up much space, but doesn't provide much shoulder blade protection

2) Knox Carbon/Kevlar.......very form-fitting, and the thinnest I've ever seen.......but the emphasis seems to be more on penetration resistance rather than impact absorption. In fact if you punched yourself in the back hard enough, it can hurt.

3) Knox KC2000 X1.......best-made I've ever seen......the best kidney/side protection I've ever seen..........but it's kind of thick, so you need to have enough room

4) Alpinestars Tech Series.......well-designed, nicely adjustable.....but feels somewhat board-like compared to the others, and the plastic shell could cause your leathers to wear through sooner if you go down. Also, the top edge of the protector goes straight across and is kind of wide, so it can interfere with head checks, and even produce some wind drag.

The next back protector I'm gonna buy is going to have a soft, narrow top edge, so that it doesn't interfere with my helmet. That's why I'm going to try the T-Pro Forcefield or the Helimot TLV.

[Knightshade]

Originally posted by dillweed
The next back protector I'm gonna buy is going to have a soft, narrow top edge, so that it doesn't interfere with my helmet. That's why I'm going to try the T-Pro Forcefield or the Helimot TLV.

Between those two, I'd pick the T-Pro. My brother currently has it and I've owned the TLV. T-Pro was much more comfortable and seems like it would hold up better in a spill.

[dillweed]

Really? You still have the TLV?

[Knightshade]

no..its been handed down to another needy rider.

[SuperSpud]

Originally posted by dillweed
Pics please?


I have tried several different ones -----

1) Bohn Pro Race.......very form-fitting, feels good, but I question the placement of the "pads", because depending on how you land on the ground, the pad you hit might put stress on your body. I put it on and then "fell" on my carpet, and if I hit at an angle, it would hit the corners of the pads and they would sort of "hurt" more because they directed the energy to my body.

2) Dainese "armadillo dinasour style" (don't remember the name)......flexible, doesn't take up much space, but doesn't provide much shoulder blade protection

2) Knox Carbon/Kevlar.......very form-fitting, and the thinnest I've ever seen.......but the emphasis seems to be more on penetration resistance rather than impact absorption. In fact if you punched yourself in the back hard enough, it can hurt.

3) Knox KC2000 X1.......best-made I've ever seen......the best kidney/side protection I've ever seen..........but it's kind of thick, so you need to have enough room

4) Alpinestars Tech Series.......well-designed, nicely adjustable.....but feels somewhat board-like compared to the others, and the plastic shell could cause your leathers to wear through sooner if you go down. Also, the top edge of the protector goes straight across and is kind of wide, so it can interfere with head checks, and even produce some wind drag.

The next back protector I'm gonna buy is going to have a soft, narrow top edge, so that it doesn't interfere with my helmet. That's why I'm going to try the T-Pro Forcefield or the Helimot TLV.

Well, I just ordered the velocity gear one and I'll post pics and let ya'll know my impressions when I get it.

[license2ill]

Came across this bit about Dainese impact protectors including their various back protectors:

Dainese Protector Info
by Michael Sierchio <ducatista@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 20, 2004 at 03:27 PM

The following is from the Information Sheet supplied
by Dainese. Note that several of their back protectors
fail to meet even the CE Level 1 standard for protection
(<= 18kN max. avg. transmitted force w/ 50J impact).
Those failing are marked in the first and last column
with "XXXXXX" -- and some are popular items. Only the
RIP 1 and RIP 2 back protectors achieve Level 2 performance.

The Level 1 standard for other protectors is <= 35kN
for an impact of 50J. Level 2 is <= 35kN w/75J, Level
3 is <=35kN w/100J.


Protector Code Position Tech. Ref. Std. kN / 50J

PA D Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA SJ AIR Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA SJ WAVE Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA TECHNO 06 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 24
PA TECHNO 07 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 22
PA11 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA12 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA15 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA16 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA18 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PA19 Shoulder EN 1621.1/97 29
PB SJ AIR Elbow EN 1621.1/97 18
PB TECHNO 04 Elbow EN 1621.1/97 20
PB/PC D Elbow EN 1621.1/97 28
PB11 Elbow EN 1621.1/97 28
PB13 Elbow EN 1621.1/97 28
PB14 Elbow EN 1621.1/97 24
PB16 Elbow EN 1621.1/97 28
PB18 Elbow EN 1621.1/97 28
PC 19 Knee EN 1621.1/97 24
PC PROF Knee EN 1621.1/97 26
PC TECHNO 03 Knee EN 1621.1/97 24
PC TECHNO 04 Knee EN 1621.1/97 21
PC14 Knee EN 1621.1/97 26
PC16 Knee EN 1621.1/97 26
PC21 Knee EN 1621.1/97 26
PC22 Knee EN 1621.1/97 26
PC24 Knee EN 1621.1/97 29
XXXXXX ANCHORAGE Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 30 XXXXXX
BAP 1 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 2 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 2000.4 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 2000.5 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 2000.6 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 2000/8 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 2000/9 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP 3 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
XXXXXX BAP 4 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 30 XXXXXX
BAP G.FLASH Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP J.2003 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BAP Z01 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BOY 4 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
BOY 5 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
F WAVE.23 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
F WAVE.36 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
F WAVE.40 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
F WAVE.44 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
F WAVE.48 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
G WAVE.1 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
G WAVE.2 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
G WAVE.3 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
GILET 806.7 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 18
GILET SPACE. Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
GILET SPACE. Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
GILET SPACE. Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
RIP 1 Back prEN 1621.1/2000 (1) 6
RIP 2 Back prEN 1621.1/2000 (1) 6
XXXXXX SJ AIR.7 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 25 XXXXXX
XXXXXX SJ AIR.8 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 25 XXXXXX
SJ SPACE.1 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SJ SPACE.2 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SJ SPACE.3 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
XXXXXX SPACE G.1 Back prEN 1621.1/2000 (1) 24 XXXXXX
XXXXXX SPACE G.2 Back prEN 1621.1/2000 (1) 24 XXXXXX
SPACE S Back prEN 1621.1/2000 (1) 14
SPACE T.1 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SPACE T.2 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SPACE T.3 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SPACE.1 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SPACE.2 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
SPACE.3 Back EN 1621.1/97 (1) 17
WAVE T.1 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
WAVE T.2 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
WAVE T.3 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
WAVE Z01 Back EN 1621.1/2003 16
WAVE.1 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 16
WAVE.2 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 16
WAVE.3 Back prEN 1621.1/2002 16
WAVE.S Back prEN 1621.1/2002 16

[Knightshade]

dude..are you every going to actually get a bike?

[soulofadra6o]

Originally posted by Knightshade
dude..are you every going to actually get a bike?

ha ha! hey a guy can dream cant he?

it is comfortable to wear a back protector under my alpinestars TZ-1 jacket?

[mojo mofo]

Originally posted by soulofadra6o
it is comfortable to wear a back protector under my alpinestars TZ-1 jacket?

I thought your jacket was a bit too big for me, so the back protector might make it fit a bit better :p

[soulofadra6o]

Originally posted by mojo mofo
I thought your jacket was a bit too big for me, so the back protector might make it fit a bit better :p

ya the jacket, even if i got the smallest size they had (38 US) is a tad big on me...it wrinkles up in the back if im not leaning over the tank....i guess i gotta custom fit one? but the back protector seems like a good buy..i mean leather is goin to help much if you land on ur back on the pavement

[harbiho]

I just got this from e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7928377415&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6

Pretty good price huh? :D:D

[license2ill]

Originally posted by harbiho
I just got this from e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7928377415&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6

Pretty good price huh? :D:D

LOL, Bohn finally resorted to Ebay to get rid of those hah?

They've been trying to sell those "export cancellations" (not CE certified?) on their website for months.

[oren]

Originally posted by harbiho
I just got this from e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7928377415&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6

Pretty good price huh? :D:D

Yeah. That is a good price. I have a Bohn back protector as well, and I've been happy with it.

[jadeblue1]

looked at both dianese & bohn-both seemed to have fairly good coverage for the back, but the dianese didn't have as much shoulder blade protection as the bohn. neither one of them could be made short enough or small enough to fit me, though.

i opted for impact armor full coverage front & back with full coverage on the sides for rib protection. (the full coverage is kind of nice for side & frontal impacts.)

(plus nicky hayden wears it, so it's gotta work pretty good)

[JV711]

This is an old thread, but I thought this looked interesting, sorry if it's a repost...

Attempts to minimize that hyperextension and flex of spine during impact.

BMW and KTM Developing Spine Protection System for Motorcycle Riders

http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle-news/bmw-ktm-spine-protection.htm

[FunkDaddy]

Looking at back protectors for trackdays.... Alpinestars has the Tech Race Protector and the Tech Protector.. the "Race" one looks like it has less coverage and the regular one looks like it covers more of the upper back and has more cinching straps, as well as being cheaper.

Has anyone had experience with either? Why would the "race" one have less features/protection? Just seems oddd... thanks.

[Currently]

I have the A* which I got from NewEnough.

It stays in the closet unless I know I will be fooling around.
It is not comfortable for regular commuting. It is hot and only is comfortable if loosely attached.

The other caution I woud give is to make sure you buy your jacket a little oversized.

I cannot get it to fit under a tight leather jacket.

[smokescreen]

I got my wife the Dianese Lobster tail that goes "in" her jacket, and put it between her and the CE plate that was already there. She never has to fiddle with it, and you can't tell it's there. presumably, this is safer than hanging in the closet.

So I say, find one that will go in the jacket.. if that'll make u use it.

[malkey]

Originally posted by FunkDaddy
Has anyone had experience with either? Why would the "race" one have less features/protection? Just seems oddd... thanks. In theory I would imagine the race should have more protection.

I use a Knox Stowaway protector. It feels like it would be up to the job if called upon to do so. Plus it is very comfy too. :D

[Knightshade]

it looks like the race version might be more perf'd, and has a soft tail. Can't see many other differences than that....well..the Race is advertised as being developed by MotoGP Racers..so that's like what..an extra $100000000000000000000000000 for R&D cost.....or something like that.

Find somewhere you can try them on...because if it's not comfortable enough to wear, what's the point of having one? I feel naked w/o mine.

[Savage]

I'm just waiting for a back protector that is water cooled w/ fans. Someone was talking about it at skillz day. Just imagine on those hot traffic days.

[Stinky]

Originally posted by suavedg
I'm just waiting for a back protector that is water cooled w/ fans. Someone was talking about it at skillz day. Just imagine on those hot traffic days.
A couple years ago in MotoGP they introduced a "cooling system" you wear on your back inside your leathers that circulated cool water. I remember Gibernau testing it out. I think it also had like a "camelbak" type thing that came out of the speed hump so you can also hydrate yourself.
Now at all the hotter venues, Sepang, Qatar...etc, you see everyone with the hose coming out of the speed hump.

[phlosar]

I just got my bike and spent lots of time researching back protectors. I have no crash stories.

There are 2 levels of CE protection for back protectors, and it's generally hard to figure out whether a back protector is CE approved and at which level.

I just ordered a high velocity gear back protector. www.velocitygear.com. It's $100 out the door and CE level 2 certified. There are crash stories out there about it. I'll post follow-up once I get it under my leathers.

Ride Safe.

Kim

[Knightshade]

Originally posted by suavedg
I'm just waiting for a back protector that is water cooled w/ fans. Someone was talking about it at skillz day. Just imagine on those hot traffic days.

alpinestars has one, they were talking about it in the latest edition of sport rider. not sure if they have a consumer version of it yet??

[FLSVRider]

You want one that is CE level 2. CE Level 2 requires that the protector distribute a greater amount of force thean level 1.

The thing I fount interesing int he research was that very few back injuries are caused by blows to the spine or back. MOst serious injuries to the back are from blows transmitted from the shoulders and hips.

So maybe too much emphaisis is placed on these to begin with. But considering the price and that they do offer some level of protection it probably wouldnt hurt to buy a CE 2 protector.

[Stinky]

Originally posted by FLSVRider

The thing I fount interesing int he research was that very few back injuries are caused by blows to the spine or back. MOst serious injuries to the back are from blows transmitted from the shoulders and hips.

Exactly how I broke my back. I hyperflexed my spine from a blow from the upper back/shoulder area. I was wearing a Teknic four-plate backprotector but the way I compressed my spine it wouldn't make a difference which one I wore.

[groundhogday]

Has anyone tried the Icon Field Armor vest? I'm interested to hear about the comfort and protection of it.

[acer66]

i am looking to get something like this http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/Dainese_Safety_Jacket_21--35-DAIN05-17.html
but i need something where i can remove the shoulder/elbow protection because i want to wear under a leather jacket with protection so i only need back and front amour, is anyone using something like this or has some info ?

thank you

[tobychi]

I wear this for both mx and streets. IMO it is too bulky for wearing under a leather jacket though... so I wear a mesh jacket over it (like the Kushitani mesh.) I would also wear an under armor under the body armor so you could take it off easily when you get sweaty.

Sometimes you don't want to wear full leather (or a 2-piece) when riding in the canyons, I would wear knee guard over my jeans. Check out the Alpinestar Bionic Kneeguard, it's pretty cool. I actually dragged my knee with that.

[Knightshade]

Originally posted by tobychi
Sometimes you don't want to wear full leather (or a 2-piece) when riding in the canyons,

maybe you don't...I can't imagine not.

[acer66]

yeah i am not riding without leathers in the canyons, the only time i ride with only a jacket is when i do a quick ride 5-10 min max everything longer is full leather, so i am looking for something where you can take all the amour off except for the back and front

thank you

[Knightshade]

front and back only?

I should get a cut from these people with as much as I mention them.

Get a custom chest and back protector.

http://www.impactarmor.com/

[mojo mofo]

Werd on impactarmor...

[rwalterk]

I just got the Astars tech back protector (the one w/ the shoulder straps, not the race model) and mother-of-pearl does this thing make my leathers fit tight. I have a two piece Astars suit and it's hard to just zip the damn thing together now.

Anyone here use the race model? Is it noticeably less bulky than the regular tech one?

[GetnJgyWitit]

I have the same one as you. It's like that at first, eventually your leathers will stretch and fit perfect with it.

[Stinky]

Wear it on the outside......
I saw a guy on the freeway doing that. Is that the new thing?

[sdlnxgk]

How well does this brand breath???? Looking at getting one soon and found a couple nice ones from Alpinestars on ebay..

[GetnJgyWitit]

To be honest I've always worn it when I ride and never noticed how well it breathes. I like it and would recommend it to anyone.

[adamage]

I saw a dude last weekend wearing an Astars back protector with no shirt/no jacket. :rolleyes:

[harbiho]

Originally posted by adamage
I saw a dude last weekend wearing an Astars back protector with no shirt/no jacket. :rolleyes:

A least his back is protected!!! :p

[Ikazuchi]

Originally posted by adamage
I saw a dude last weekend wearing an Astars back protector with no shirt/no jacket. :rolleyes:

Somebody on the VFR board saw somebody like that... the rider was promptly made fun of for being such a douche bag.

[Dante]

Originally posted by Ikazuchi
Somebody on the VFR board saw somebody like that... the rider was promptly made fun of for being such a douche bag.

DOUCHEBAGGERY!!! :squid:

That's a riot.

I liked the integrated back protector that is/was in my Joe Rocket Alter Ego jacket. That model has pretty substantial armor all around, and when I dumped it at about 30 and rolled 8 times, I had a slightly sore left arm for a little while, but not even a bruise or scuff up top. The patch on my left elbow nearly ripped halfway off, but it held together well enough. I think had I slid to a stop from 60 or something it would have probably been totally mangled, though.