Wheelies people.....wheelies [Archive]

pAint

Fri 2/2/07, 11:53PM

Originally posted by Mike1024
wheelies are best done in first gear, clutchin it. no power wheelies with a sv650. unless you gear it up. i have 14 47 gearing and it will wheelie if you want it to... dont land hard or goodbye forks and fairings... oh - don't crash or I will laugh and call someone a jackass.

theres a reason why theyre called motorcycles, and not unicycles.

1st gear clutching?!? Too crazy for me... 2nd gear all the way.

Originally posted by racinteach
Avoid long ones with your SV or prepare to replace your front cylinder... and, oh yeah wheelies are only really usefull when jumping over a log, sharp edge rut( this is dirt riding) or when jumpig a curb to avoid a cage with a cell phone yielding driver...

Oh yeah sometimes they also provide everyone with some comedy....;)

Common problem with some sport bikes like the RR's and our SV's. One way of fixing that is changing the oil pickup. Other way is to add extra oil.
I have a bud thats been stunting an SV for over a year with no problems with the front cylinder... he just adds more oil... a quart i believe.

psssniper

Sat 2/3/07, 7:07AM

I love to watch the videos of you "Stuntas" because it's very entertaining to see expensive bikes destroyed, I dont like it when you get hurt though:(

hurleydude66

Sat 2/3/07, 7:39AM

nefarious-az

Sat 2/3/07, 8:23AM

The only wheelies I do are out of turn three on Firebird main, for all other purposes they are useless and kinda dumb.

Darth Lefty

Sat 2/3/07, 8:47AM

You can do a power wheelie in 1st. Bit scary though, you run through that portion of the RPM range pretty quick.

racinteach

Sat 2/3/07, 9:00AM

[i] One way of fixing that is changing the oil pickup. Other way is to add extra oil.
I have a bud thats been stunting an SV for over a year with no problems with the front cylinder... he just adds more oil... a quart i believe. [/B]
problem with that is you add extra pressure to all the seals and rings...creating blow by...
also there really is no oil pickup to change..so I was told..

morbidelli17

Sat 2/3/07, 10:43AM

If either of my wheels comes off the ground, something has gone badly wrong ...

hurleydude66

Sat 2/3/07, 11:47AM

Originally posted by nefarious-az
The only wheelies I do are out of turn three on Firebird main, for all other purposes they are useless and kinda dumb.
So what makes yours out of turn three....not so useless and dumb? :confused:

Busted

Sat 2/3/07, 11:47AM

Originally posted by morbidelli17
If either of my wheels comes off the ground, something has gone badly wrong ...
I gotta agree with morbidelli, i spent too much time concentrating and working to keep both wheels planted and gripping. It is too much against the grain now for me to try wheelies. (and i dont have the cojones for it)

hurleydude66

Sat 2/3/07, 11:48AM

Originally posted by Darth Lefty
You can do a power wheelie in 1st. Bit scary though, you run through that portion of the RPM range pretty quick.
Very true. Hard to keep it up on one for a while without shifting.

Kyoseki

Sat 2/3/07, 1:04PM

Originally posted by hurleydude66
So what makes yours out of turn three....not so useless and dumb? :confused: They're on a track.

SV650R

Sat 2/3/07, 7:03PM

Track is dumb! :p

....It does not get you Girls Phone Numbers.

Hahahaahh..!!!

The only people that do not like wheelies are old guys who brake bones easily and Poosies that don't have Cojones to keep it up!

I can not believe Any of all these guys have offer you any constructive advise!!!

Bunch of poosies!!! :D

...Just because you can try your best to be faster on the track does not mean you can not learn the skill of throttle control and rear brake control.

Yes the Rear Brake has a use.... To keep 12 o'clock wheelies up high.

After all Wheelies are not to show off to others... They are meant to teach you how to control your motorcycle.

The oil pick up is an issue if you are doing a 1/4 mile or more wheelies. But the occasional wheelie should be ok.

Any SV can Power Wheelie on first gear... Unless you Gear your bike to do 250 mph :d Or if you do not have the Cojones to keep it up. :D

The SV comes up best on Second Gear. You do not dump the clutch either. You can control the power best if you sit back, load the forks and as you give throttle you smoothly feather the clutch out.

A good tip is to ride a wheelie with the left foot on the passenger left foot rest. This will help you balance the wheelie by loading your weight on the left foot to help the bike come up and stay there.

Keep in mind that the Rear Brake is your life saver ......so keep your right foot on the riders foot rest close to the brake lever.

If you panic hit the brake just a little, and as the bike comes down give it throttle to smooth out the landing...

Where? Well everywhere you have the space to go the distance... Therefore do not try to wheelie on your drive way facing the garage door!!! Or If you have a Car in front of you within like 100 yards!!!

And everywhere a dickless cop does not see you!!! There is some A-holes who will give you a Reckless Driving. :mad:

Chances are you are going to fall... Know that there is the possibility of expensive repairs... Just try to keep the bike under your control and have fun!!!!

Luis. :squid:

CC_05_SV

Sat 2/3/07, 7:26PM

This kid pulled a wheelie to say hi or whatever to me the other day, and all I could say is what an idiot. ride with two wheeels on the ground or don't ride at all, it's dangerous, stupid, just shows people you probably have a small penis. And I'm not an old guy either, all of this coming from a 19 year old, get over yourselves, assholes.

insanity456

Sat 2/3/07, 9:42PM

Originally posted by SV650R
There is some A-holes who will give you a Reckless Driving. :mad:

Should it not be considered reckless? Not trying to be a dick, but to call a cop an asshole for giving you a ticket for wheelies is a bit odd.

smokescreen

Sat 2/3/07, 9:55PM

uhhoohh.... I can smell a flame war coming on....

insanity456

Sat 2/3/07, 10:10PM

Originally posted by smokescreen
uhhoohh.... I can smell a flame war coming on....

Haha, nah. I didn't mean anything by my comments. I'm just an outsider looking in on this issue. Wheelies or stunting don't interest me in the least to attempt, though it is pretty neat to watch videos of them in a parking lot sometimes. The control of the bike is impressive, but nothing that peaks my interest to attempt. I'm just a big pussy.

DethMetal

Sat 2/3/07, 10:45PM

I <3 ppl that can't do wheelies and just bash on them instead of trying to learn.

SV650R

Sat 2/3/07, 11:09PM

Originally posted by CC_05_SV
This kid pulled a wheelie to say hi or whatever to me the other day, and all I could say is what an idiot. ride with two wheeels on the ground or don't ride at all, it's dangerous, stupid, just shows people you probably have a small penis. And I'm not an old guy either, all of this coming from a 19 year old, get over yourselves, assholes.

Somebody needs some Cojones over here!!! :D

Well you know what they say .... Opinions are like assholes... Everybody has one!!!

Anything that involves machinery is dangerous if you do not know what the hell you are doing...

You should be proud of yourself Mr. Erckel..... You are 19 and all grown up already!

By the way Are you attending Cal Poly? What's the major? ....Just Curious. ...........Computer Science I knew it!

Hey just playing a bit. Regards, Luis.

PS. Get out of the class room sometime.

Originally posted by insanity456
Should it not be considered reckless? Not trying to be a dick, but to call a cop an asshole for giving you a ticket for wheelies is a bit odd.

You know... when I got my Reckless Driving, Exibition of Speed, (and 4 others that got dismissed) Ticket...

I was on a Rural Road with a farm field on the Right and another farm field on the left. This road leads to a dead end and if you are lucky you see 1 or at the most 2 cars a day.

Anyways I was practicing wheelies...

This true to the word ASSHOLE COP heard me and drove out of his way to give me a ticket.

The PRICK had me on the side of the Road for over 2 hours. He pull his law books and called his buddies to see what else he could get me for.

Then the FUCKER told me with a sarcastic smile... "I am a fellow rider so I am going to take it easy on you!!!"

We went to cout and I beat all the counts except Reckless Driving. According to the State Prosecutor they do not ever dismiss Reckless Driving because it is so subjective.

There is However nice Cops out there...

The only other time I got caught, the cop told me: "You must practice a lot... But, to keep your wheelies off public streets." He handed me my license and insurance card and said: "Have a nice day."

Luis

PS I consider Reckless Driving something like driving the opposite direction at high speed on the freeway... Or Chasing and running people over in your car at the mall parking lot... Yeah that is kind of Reckless!

CC_05_SV

Sat 2/3/07, 11:20PM

look if you want to do wheelies and fuck up your bike cuz no oil is getting to the front cylinder, I don't really care but don't blame cops for doing their jobs, Maybe he was being an asshole, but do your stunts on a closed course not on public streets, I like to watch stunting when it's done in a closed environment, but I think it's dumb when people do it on public streets. The big question is why do it? To feel cool, to feel like a good rider, or try to impress people. Do you have a couple good reasons to do it. No I don't go to Cal Poly, I'm transfering to fresno state, and I said I was 19 because even young kids think stunting is stupid, and I'm a poli. sci. major not comp. sci. or whatever.

Ride Safe

SV650R

Sun 2/4/07, 12:07AM

Maybe you miss this part of my first post,

"After all Wheelies are not to show off to others... They are meant to teach you how to control your motorcycle. They will help you learn throttle control and rear brake control."

You can then apply throttle control when coming out of turns. Or trail breaking when entering the turns to scrub off some speed.

I think it is my Bike to do with as I please. And, if the engine gets fucked up it will get rebuilt. It does not affect you or anyone else other than me. Right? ...I wont ask you to buy me parts :p

A closed environment is ideal if available... But a Rural Road that leads to a dead end with nothing but farm fields on either side is fair game.

The Freeway or Main Ave on a Fiday night would be at your own risk. ;)

My point here is that there is nothing wrong with a rider wanting to learn to do wheelies on their own bikes. and if some one does not like it they should turn their heads the other way and walk away...

I want you to know that I am not picking on you... but, I do enjoy a good argument. You understand this probably better than anyone.

DethMetal

Sun 2/4/07, 5:08AM

Originally posted by CC_05_SV
look if you want to do wheelies and fuck up your bike cuz no oil is getting to the front cylinder, I don't really care but don't blame cops for doing their jobs, Maybe he was being an asshole, but do your stunts on a closed course not on public streets, I like to watch stunting when it's done in a closed environment, but I think it's dumb when people do it on public streets. The big question is why do it? To feel cool, to feel like a good rider, or try to impress people. Do you have a couple good reasons to do it. No I don't go to Cal Poly, I'm transfering to fresno state, and I said I was 19 because even young kids think stunting is stupid, and I'm a poli. sci. major not comp. sci. or whatever.

Ride Safe

It has nothing to do with looking cool/Impressing ppl

It's about passion for riding and having fun.

How can you bash on someone for the way they ride? I stunt and I can ride canyons.... it's all about just riding.

P.S. I'm 19 and have had my SV since I was 17.

insanity456

Sun 2/4/07, 8:18AM

Originally posted by SV650R
You know... when I got my Reckless Driving, Exibition of Speed, (and 4 others that got dismissed) Ticket...

I was on a Rural Road with a farm field on the Right and another farm field on the left. This road leads to a dead end and if you are lucky you see 1 or at the most 2 cars a day.

Anyways I was practicing wheelies...

This true to the word ASSHOLE COP heard me and drove out of his way to give me a ticket.

The PRICK had me on the side of the Road for over 2 hours. He pull his law books and called his buddies to see what else he could get me for.

Then the FUCKER told me with a sarcastic smile... "I am a fellow rider so I am going to take it easy on you!!!"

We went to cout and I beat all the counts except Reckless Driving. According to the State Prosecutor they do not ever dismiss Reckless Driving because it is so subjective.

There is However nice Cops out there...

The only other time I got caught, the cop told me: "You must practice a lot... But, to keep your wheelies off public streets." He handed me my license and insurance card and said: "Have a nice day."

Luis

PS I consider Reckless Driving something like driving the opposite direction at high speed on the freeway... Or Chasing and running people over in your car at the mall parking lot... Yeah that is kind of Reckless! [/B]

Ah, I see. Yeah, that's pretty lame.

And for the record, I'm not bashing anyone doing any stunting. It's your bike and your life, by all means, go for it. The ability to control a bike like that is impressive, but just not my cup of tea. I'll be the first to tell you I don't have the balls to try it.

smokescreen

Sun 2/4/07, 12:42PM

Geeze.. The kids on this site are soo arguementative...

hurleydude66

Sun 2/4/07, 5:47PM

Originally posted by CC_05_SV
ride with two wheeels on the ground or don't ride at all, it's dangerous, stupid, just shows people you probably have a small penis. And I'm not an old guy either, all of this coming from a 19 year old, get over yourselves, assholes. .........

Originally posted by CC_05_SV
I like to watch stunting

Ride Safe
:confused: I'm sooo confused!

All I have to say is....you shouldn't knock it 'til you try it. All forms of riding are skillful in their own way.

Why would someone go 215 mph on two wheels? That seems pretty dangerous if you ask me, right? See where I'm going with this?

smokescreen

Sun 2/4/07, 6:44PM

this whole argument is stupid though. Riding motorcycles is inherently dangerous. It's a fact of life. Driving in a car is only slightly less dangerous. Maybe more dangerous if you are riding ina car I'm driving. Who gives a shit. We do i how we do it, because we love it. That's just the way it is.

I'm fairly impressed by people who can stunt, and people who can carve. But in the grand scheme of things, neither is advisable ion public roads. However, i have little room to speak because I set up regular rides through canyons. And I assure you, we don't take our time. If I was so intent on being safe about it, I'd have bought a tank. I didn't.....

So let people be who they be, but we could all afford to minimize our risk to others, myself included.

So in reality, nobody here is arguing about anything intellegent.

insanity456

Sun 2/4/07, 7:02PM

Originally posted by smokescreen
So in reality, nobody here is arguing about anything intellegent. [/B]

I have a small penis. Beat that.

CC_05_SV

Sun 2/4/07, 7:11PM

I understand where you guys are coming from it just dosn't make sense to me, and going 215 is dangerous but you don't see random kids doing it down the freeway, it's ona closed course being performed by pro's. yes I do like to watch stunting when it is done on a closed course, I don't like to watch people pulling wheelies on the freeway or some backroad. This is my opinion and I respect yours. ;)

bloodclot

Sun 2/4/07, 7:12PM

my friend has a smaller penis than you!

i only know this because he constantly reminds people of it and has no inhibitions about showing it to people.

i think this willingness to show off his miniature member is some sort of subconscious defense mechanism. kind of like the class clown that makes fun of his own goofy looking glasses and buck teeth so the other kids dont have leverage over him.

this thread just got very freudian.....

insanity456

Sun 2/4/07, 7:16PM

Originally posted by bloodclot
my friend has a smaller penis than you!

i only know this because he constantly reminds people of it and has no inhibitions about showing it to people.

i think this willingness to show off his miniature member is some sort of subconscious defense mechanism. kind of like the class clown that makes fun of his own goofy looking glasses and buck teeth so the other kids dont have leverage over him.

this thread just got very freudian.....

Sunnava....well.......you......I.........fuck..... .........

Well shit, I stand defeated. I'm gonna go do some wheelies naked.

I say

Sun 2/4/07, 9:38PM

my penis does small wheelies as a defense mechanism

SV650R

Mon 2/5/07, 1:11AM

Originally posted by CC_05_SV
I and going 215 is dangerous but you don't see random kids doing it down the freeway, it's ona closed course being performed by pro's. ;)

You know, Life does not happen in a closed course...

According to DOT Riding over the posted speed limit is dangerous and unesesarily risky.

Now, if you see any person riding on a Super Sports Bike they are likely to run on tripple digits at least every other day they ride, if not every day.

And even for our SV650, all it takes is a twist of the wrist and you are doing 110 - 120mph.

And I know I am not a pro... :squid:

Seriously, how many of us ride below the posted speed limit???

And How many of us ride on the track exclusively???

Luis.

PS I know John Holmes is bigger than me... does that makes me little? :o

Punkbrad

Mon 2/5/07, 6:47AM

i don't hate on wheelies. they are kinda fun - and require a little bit of skill in the balance and throttle control....

and yeah - i read the million posts about burning up my front cylinder - i cant ride a wheelie for miles anyway - but to bring the front tire up in first gear with the throttle isn't too hard at all - and riding it thru to the end of first isn't hard once you get the balance down - then i gently set the front end down and keep riding -

hating on stunters is pointless - if one knows the risks going into it, and is doing it at the right place and time - who cares. if hes poppin wheelies on the freeway with his girl on the back, then sooner or later Darwinism or some filthy cop will put a stop to that...

i think if someone can turn a streetbike into a close-quarters stunting machine - and actually exhibit some talent and skill - then go for it.

morbidelli17

Mon 2/5/07, 7:42AM

Originally posted by I say
my penis does small wheelies as a defense mechanism

Post of the year.

CC_05_SV

Mon 2/5/07, 10:33AM

it's impossible to argue with you because, I said going 215 and you come back with 110, 120. No one drives under the speed limit, that's not what I was saying. Thanks for the life lesson though, "Life does not happen in a closed course". Umm Word UP.

I'm done arguing lets talk about something else.

CBRMANIMAL

Mon 2/5/07, 10:57AM

Stopies are funner

CoastieGirl

Mon 2/5/07, 11:40AM

haha funner! :lol:

SVNerd

Mon 2/5/07, 4:47PM

Originally posted by racinteach
Avoid long ones with your SV or prepare to replace your front cylinder... and, oh yeah wheelies are only really usefull when jumping over a log, sharp edge rut( this is dirt riding) or when jumpig a curb to avoid a cage with a cell phone yielding driver...

Oh yeah sometimes they also provide everyone with some comedy....;)

Uh yeah, and what morbidelli stated.

Wheelies are good fun when necessary, on dirt. Always cover the rear brake !

TwistGrip

Mon 2/5/07, 4:51PM

Originally posted by CBRMANIMAL
Stopies are funner

You know it.

+1 for stoppies.

-EB

SVNerd

Mon 2/5/07, 6:37PM

... and Evan can stoppie !

hurleydude66

Mon 2/5/07, 8:09PM

Originally posted by CC_05_SV
I understand where you guys are coming from it just dosn't make sense to me, and going 215 is dangerous but you don't see random kids doing it down the freeway, it's ona closed course being performed by pro's. yes I do like to watch stunting when it is done on a closed course, I don't like to watch people pulling wheelies on the freeway or some backroad. This is my opinion and I respect yours. ;)
Don't see random kids doing it down the freeway???:eek:

DON'T GET OUT MUCH, DO YA?

+1 on this thread starting to suck.

Maybe we should have a "thread screening" to avoid all other "not so smart" posts.

Slippy

Mon 2/5/07, 8:35PM

Wheelies are fun! They teach you alot about the characteristics of your bike, too! For instance, I can wheelie all day on my SV, but I've tried and can find the sweet spot on my buddy's CBR600F4 ('99). Wheelies are considered wreckless by law enforcement, so it's best to keep them off of the streets. I was being followed by what I thought was a road raging SUV driver, so at the next stop light, I popped a 12:00 high wheelie. It looked awesome! I know it did; I could feel it (In first; clutching)! Once the wheel came down, I could see the red and blue lights flashing in my mirrors. Bad Idea. I spent the night in jail and paid $500 for a wreckless start. Be warned!

However, on a lighter note. SV's can power it up in first, but it's like 2 inches off the ground. I wouldn't even call that a wheelie if real bikers were around... and I don't think you'll be able to keep your front lofty for very long on an SV anyways, unless you done some serious re-gearing. I only pop in first, and I can keep one up for a few hundred feet- maybe two-hundred. I don't mess with second, but I figure with stock gearing if you get it up in first, you could probably ride through third if you don't miss a shift! But beware of the front cylinder heating issue! Just be safe, have fun, an impress your friends... If you do it in front of a cop, make sure it's on a SV1000... Then punch it (It's cheaper that way).

nefarious-az

Mon 2/5/07, 8:55PM

Originally posted by hurleydude66
So what makes yours out of turn three....not so useless and dumb? :confused:

Probably the fact that if I'm not on throttle all the way coming out of that turn I'm being passed for riding like a pussy? You can't actually come out of that turn without pulling the front wheel up a few inches over the bump.

And Luis, if you think being on track doesn't get you phone numbers and tail, you are missing out on so much.

And if you pick up a woman who is impressed by your ability to get wheelies, chances are you should be triple wrapping it, cause she's got herpasefalitusaids

hurleydude66

Tue 2/6/07, 10:04AM

Originally posted by Slippy

However, on a lighter note. SV's can power it up in first, but it's like 2 inches off the ground. I wouldn't even call that a wheelie if real bikers were around...
Dude! I can 12 o'clock in first EASY by just power wheeling it. It's probably the more easier wheelie than popping the clutch, but more dangerous as the bike wants to sit up QUICK.

I wanted to practice power wheeling in 2nd, but I sold my SV a few weeks ago. :sad:

Originally posted by nefarious-az
Probably the fact that if I'm not on throttle all the way coming out of that turn I'm being passed for riding like a pussy? You can't actually come out of that turn without pulling the front wheel up a few inches over the bump.

And Luis, if you think being on track doesn't get you phone numbers and tail, you are missing out on so much.

And if you pick up a woman who is impressed by your ability to get wheelies, chances are you should be triple wrapping it, cause she's got herpasefalitusaids
OH! I thought you were saying that doing wheelies on the track are WAY SAFER than doing them in an empty parking area.

I was just thinking, "Aren't wheelies in general, no matter where you do them, dangerous?"

SV650R

Tue 2/6/07, 11:25AM

Originally posted by CC_05_SV
it's impossible to argue with you because, I said going 215 and you come back with 110, 120.

I do not know anyone with an SV that hits 215mph... And even the liter bikes, or the 1300 Busa, or the Kawa 1400... They are all Speed Governed to 186mph anyway...

Now is it safer to go on the freeway at 120 on an SV, Or 150 on the freeway on a GSXR? And why?

Originally posted by SVNerd
Wheelies are good fun when necessary, on dirt. Always cover the rear brake !

I would ad to that... Wheelies are life savers when nesessary. They are good fun anyother time. :) And that is why you need to practice... Regularly...

Originally posted by hurleydude66
I was just thinking, "Aren't wheelies in general, no matter where you do them, dangerous?"

Anything that you are not familiar with can be dangerous... But if you practice enough and you master your wheelies the risk factor drops significantly. Compare the first time rider on a GSXR giving the bike too much trottle and dumping the clutch .....to a seasoned Stunt Rider preforming a no hands wheelie. No comparation is there?

Luis

jayson9253

Tue 2/6/07, 5:41PM

Question....
I can power wheelie in first on my svK and usually get it higher than I want but what about second. Saw it mentioned to be smooth bringing on the throttle and feathering the clutch out. Does this apply with the 1000 too? It's just that she's a heavy one. My buddy does them in first at about fifty to sixty mph on his R6 and mine are already on the ground by that time. so just wondering...
And I'll be the first to admit... Yes I'm a ---->:squid:

hurleydude66

Tue 2/6/07, 9:32PM

SV650R

Wed 2/7/07, 9:56AM

Originally posted by jayson9253
Question....
I can power wheelie in first on my svK and usually get it higher than I want but what about second. Saw it mentioned to be smooth bringing on the throttle and feathering the clutch out. Does this apply with the 1000 too? It's just that she's a heavy one. My buddy does them in first at about fifty to sixty mph on his R6 and mine are already on the ground by that time. so just wondering...
And I'll be the first to admit... Yes I'm a ---->:squid:

Yes you can! Your SV1000 may be heavier... But, has more torque too.

Fisrt gear wheelies are kind of pointless because you run out of RPM before you know it.

You need to practice in second Gear feathering the clutch smoothly but fast.

Once you reach your sweet balance spot you can shoot for going up a little higher and shift to third gear. You need to go a bit more up because when you shift you loose momentum and the bik begings to dive down.

Remember to go easy on the throttle as soon as you shif. You need less throttle aplication from second to third because the gear is higher and at the same engine RPM the rear wheel will turn faster.

I usually shif early rather than later at 6K to 7K RPMs

In third gear you do not have to worry about runing out of RPMs as much. Remember the front piston...

Luis.

nefarious-az

Thu 2/8/07, 7:55AM

Luis, no matter how many times you try to spin it, doing wheelies on the street is just plain stupid, just as stupid as triple digits. And to group every rider of a 'supersport' bike into such a blanket statement as "They do triple digits every other day" is once again a hapless reach to defend your squidliness.

First you say that wheelies help you learn throttle control so you can "Get on the throttle better coming out of turns" then you go on to claim that they can be life savers. What is your reasoning behind these two statements? (And please don't try to change gears and point out the usefulness of the wheelie when dirt riding; as that is like apples and oranges when speaking of street riding) Seriously come down to the track some time and show us how doing a wheelie will help us get a better drive out of a corner; I'd love you to impart your wisdom.

You honestly can't seriously complain about getting ticked for breaking the law. Just because you decided to do it in what you believed to be a "safe environment" doesn't make it any less against the law.

Kurt'sSV

Thu 2/8/07, 8:50AM

Originally posted by nefarious-az

Just because you decided to do it in what you believed to be a "safe environment" doesn't make it any less against the law.

Or any less safe. Your def. of safe is different than others.

Ikazuchi

Thu 2/8/07, 8:55AM

Originally posted by SV650R
I do not know anyone with an SV that hits 215mph... And even the liter bikes, or the 1300 Busa, or the Kawa 1400... They are all Speed Governed to 186mph anyway...

Maybe he means 215kph? :D

CC_05_SV

Thu 2/8/07, 11:27AM

Anyways, i will try to be more open to different styles and ways to practice riding. I respect your descison to stunt and do wheelies, I realize doing wheelies is probably not as dangerous as most people think, because if you know how to do them right, it would be farless dangerous than riding 75 down the freeway surrounded by a sea of soccer moms driving on the phone and putting makeup on. The only thing anyone can hope is that if you do stunt, you pick the right time and place to do it.

jayson9253

Thu 2/8/07, 11:41AM

I will agree with you on freeway wheelies. There is a time and a place. I don't respect people who put the general public at risk. That being said I do enjoy the thrill and the challenge of them because they are dangerous. That's the point for me anyway. As long as people exercise common sense I'm all for it.

SteveT

Thu 2/8/07, 12:03PM

According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety:

Five crash types account for 86% of fatal motorcycle crashes: motorcycle runs-off-road 41%, motorcycle or other vehicle runs traffic control 18%, head-on collision 11%, car turns in front of cycle 8% and motorcycle goes down in roadway 7%.

As far as I can see, the maximum possible percentage of the accidents caused by wheelies is 7%

It looks like 52% is the max for people riding turns (going off roadway and head-on collisions from crossing double yellow).

So why is it anytime someone brings up wheelies, there's a holier than thou attitude about what a squid someone is, but when someone sets up a canyon ride you guys don't react the same way? It's getting really tiresome :*

nefarious-az

Thu 2/8/07, 1:35PM

[i]As far as I can see, the maximum possible percentage of the accidents caused by wheelies is 7%
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That data is flawed, those are only fatal accidents. GG on reading your own argument. Nobody said ZOMG WHEELIES == DEATH. And if you were to give statistics on accidents in general, you'd only be giving reported accidents, and the chance of the # of accidents caused by wheelies NOT being reported being MUCH higher then those that are is very high. Come on now, citing statistics gathered by a government agency is one of the fastest ways to lose a debate.

And for the record, I stand by the the idea that people who go ripping through canyons are just as squidly and stupid as those who go do wheelies at 70mph on the highways.

SteveT

Thu 2/8/07, 1:46PM

Originally posted by nefarious-az
That data is flawed, those are only fatal accidents. GG on reading your own argument. Nobody said ZOMG WHEELIES == DEATH.

What are you babbling about?
I read it. I'm pretty sure everyone said the word "dangerous"....What's the worst outcome of something dangerous? death. Therefore, my argument that wheelies are less dangerous than canyon riding still holds. :clown:

nefarious-az

Thu 2/8/07, 2:24PM

Your argument is a moot point, Nobody ever said wheelies == dead. If your going to try to pull the wheelies == less dangerous then canyons argument, why not just say, Bikes are loud and frightening and dangerous rawr!. Canyon deaths are more frequent simply because more people ride canyons then ride down the highway at 80mph doing a wheelie. Again, the data is flawed. Quoting statistics is an absolute waste of time for most arguments BECAUSE statistical data is so easily manipulated by selection of data set.

SteveT

Thu 2/8/07, 3:20PM

Whose argument is a moot point?

http://www.socalsvriders.org/albums/albuq48/Pete_Pulling_Itsmall.jpg

http://www.socalsvriders.org/albums/albuq48/Start_Wheeliesmall.sized.jpg

nefarious-az

Thu 2/8/07, 5:42PM

That's a picture from a month after I got my first bike, we all do stupid things, I'm not saying I haven't nor have I ever IMPLIED that I haven't done stupid things. But that's just it it's fucking retarded no matter who it is that's doing it. Seriously if your are going to argue your point, DO IT don't fucking throw this same old lame ass stunter bullshit that is always flung every time this topic is brought up. Stunting on public roads is a dumb ass thing to do, and promoting it is even stupider. Riding 110% in the canyons is a dumb ass thing to do, promoting it is even stupider.

And yes, I do ride as hard as I can every time I go out.

But that's probably offset by the fact I ride exclusivly on track now... :squid:

hurleydude66

Thu 2/8/07, 6:53PM

Originally posted by nefarious-az
That's a picture from a month after I got my first bike, we all do stupid things, I'm not saying I haven't nor have I ever IMPLIED that I haven't done stupid things. But that's just it it's fucking retarded no matter who it is that's doing it. Seriously if your are going to argue your point, DO IT don't fucking throw this same old lame ass stunter bullshit that is always flung every time this topic is brought up. Stunting on public roads is a dumb ass thing to do, and promoting it is even stupider. Riding 110% in the canyons is a dumb ass thing to do, promoting it is even stupider.

And yes, I do ride as hard as I can every time I go out.

But that's probably offset by the fact I ride exclusivly on track now... :squid:
Stupider! :lol:

nefarious-az

Thu 2/8/07, 8:19PM

Originally posted by hurleydude66
Stupider! :lol:

I figured the irony would drive the point home.

SV650R

Thu 2/8/07, 11:52PM

About the Track vs. Street...

The track is safer!

There is no traffic on the track!

No breaking any laws while on the track!

And in the track you can repeat the conditions lap after lap!

It is a win win situation

But the cost of a track day every weekend could quickly ad up.

If the track was free or low cost I would definitely opt for the track every time...

However paying out $160.00 every Saturday is not something I can afford.

The point of the tread is wheelies...

If anyone her can master them good for them!!!

If some one choose to do wheelies on the track or an empty parking lot, or on Mill Avenue on a Saturday night. that is the choise of the rider.

And there is reprecautions for the actions choosen!

Just because you ride exclusively on the track does not make it the only way for everyone to ride.

Wheelies are not a bad thing if you learn and practice.

Luis

Darth Lefty

Thu 2/8/07, 11:55PM

I'm still not convinced. Everyone seems to come home hurt from track days.

nefarious-az

Fri 2/9/07, 12:10AM

You think that what YOU do doesn't effect other riders???? It's people like you who go out wheeling on public roads, and people that go out and get them selves killed in the canyons that drive the cost of insurance through the roof, not to mention give sport bike riders a VERY bad name with the public. It's no wonder they never step up consider us the victims when someone pulls out in front of us. Nope, not us, it's our fault for being hard to see. Or some other BS... If more people respected motorcycle riders we might get better representation, but unfortunately the majority of non bikers do NOT approve of riding like a crazy fucking idiot down THEIR public streets.

I understand that track costs add up, I'm not saying you should ride exclusively on the track; nor am I saying you should ride the track EVERY weekend. What I am saying is, reserve your squidly tendencies for the track. Get your rocks off there, because contrary to what you stated earlier, riding on the track isn't boring or stupid, it's an absolute fucking blast to be able to finally cut loose without worrying about what what geriatric Ms. Daisy is going to pull out in front of you next.

And DL: I don't know how Trackdays are run out in Cali, but there hasn't been a serious accident at a track day here in Phoenix in quite a while. As long as your respect other riders , they tend to respect you. The bad track day injuries I've seen are a DIRECT result of a rider who panicked when burning into a turn, and instead of just pushing it and riding it out or lowsiding, then stood it up while spinning the rear or some other catastrophic no no and high sided the shit out of themselves.

SteveT

Fri 2/9/07, 3:09AM

Originally posted by nefarious-az
That's a picture from a month after I got my first bike, we all do stupid things, I'm not saying I haven't nor have I ever IMPLIED that I haven't done stupid things. But that's just it it's fucking retarded no matter who it is that's doing it. Seriously if your are going to argue your point, DO IT don't fucking throw this same old lame ass stunter bullshit that is always flung every time this topic is brought up. Stunting on public roads is a dumb ass thing to do, and promoting it is even stupider. Riding 110% in the canyons is a dumb ass thing to do, promoting it is even stupider.

This is exactly the holier than thou attitude I was talking about...."I've done these things, but you're a lame ass stunter dumbass if YOU do it."
wow thank you god of all things motorcycle, where is your temple where I can worship you appropriately?

ADRATH

Fri 2/9/07, 6:45AM

^^^^^^^
:lol:

hurleydude66

Fri 2/9/07, 7:47AM

Originally posted by nefarious-az
You think that what YOU do doesn't effect other riders???? It's people like you who go out wheeling on public roads, and people that go out and get them selves killed in the canyons that drive the cost of insurance through the roof, not to mention give sport bike riders a VERY bad name with the public. It's no wonder they never step up consider us the victims when someone pulls out in front of us. Nope, not us, it's our fault for being hard to see. Or some other BS... If more people respected motorcycle riders we might get better representation, but unfortunately the majority of non bikers do NOT approve of riding like a crazy fucking idiot down THEIR public streets.

I understand that track costs add up, I'm not saying you should ride exclusively on the track; nor am I saying you should ride the track EVERY weekend. What I am saying is, reserve your squidly tendencies for the track. Get your rocks off there, because contrary to what you stated earlier, riding on the track isn't boring or stupid, it's an absolute fucking blast to be able to finally cut loose without worrying about what what geriatric Ms. Daisy is going to pull out in front of you next.

And DL: I don't know how Trackdays are run out in Cali, but there hasn't been a serious accident at a track day here in Phoenix in quite a while. As long as your respect other riders , they tend to respect you. The bad track day injuries I've seen are a DIRECT result of a rider who panicked when burning into a turn, and instead of just pushing it and riding it out or lowsiding, then stood it up while spinning the rear or some other catastrophic no no and high sided the shit out of themselves.
Hey nef....I was just bustin' your balls from the "STUPIDER" post.

But as far as this last one goes, I'll say this. Yeah sure, the track is a much safer place to do wheelies and cut loose. But that doesn't take away from the fact that anything dangerous....well...is just that, DANGEROUS. Whether you do it in a safe environment like a track....or in a huge, empty warehouse parking area...there is still the risk of injury everywhere.

I'll agree with you when it comes to people going up-on-one on a busy public street. I've ridden with some that have done it and I just shake my head in embarassment. That doesn't do anything but attract attention to us as riders (and usually it's the wrong kind of attraction with cops).

I vote to DELETE this thread due to it becoming (*yawn*) BORING.

nefarious-az

Fri 2/9/07, 7:53AM

Originally posted by SteveT
This is exactly the holier than thou attitude I was talking about...."I've done these things, but you're a lame ass stunter dumbass if YOU do it."
wow thank you god of all things motorcycle, where is your temple where I can worship you appropriately?

Yes that's it, Holier then thou attitude.

Again, you are trying to misinterpret what I'm saying.

I am a fucking idiot for doing it when I did it. That hasn't changed.

I agree that canyon carving is just as bad.

You, are just as much of a fucking idiot as I was for doing it.

I do not do it anymore, but that does not change the stupidity of my previous action.

There is a holier then thou attitude in that argument where?

All I'm advocating is that you keep your wheelies and shit to a closed environment instead of doing it on the street. And yes, vacant parking lots and industrial areas where you can control vehicle access to where your doing it I'd call a closed environment.

SV650R

Fri 2/9/07, 8:30AM

Originally posted by nefarious-az
You think that what YOU do doesn't effect other riders???? It's people like you who go out wheeling on public roads, and people that go out and get them selves killed in the canyons that drive the cost of insurance through the roof, not to mention give sport bike riders a VERY bad name with the public. It's no wonder they never step up consider us the victims when someone pulls out in front of us. Nope, not us, it's our fault for being hard to see. Or some other BS... If more people respected motorcycle riders we might get better representation, but unfortunately the majority of non bikers do NOT approve of riding like a crazy fucking idiot down THEIR public streets.

I understand that track costs add up, I'm not saying you should ride exclusively on the track; nor am I saying you should ride the track EVERY weekend. What I am saying is, reserve your squidly tendencies for the track. Get your rocks off there, because contrary to what you stated earlier, riding on the track isn't boring or stupid, it's an absolute fucking blast to be able to finally cut loose without worrying about what what geriatric Ms. Daisy is going to pull out in front of you next.

And DL: I don't know how Trackdays are run out in Cali, but there hasn't been a serious accident at a track day here in Phoenix in quite a while. As long as your respect other riders , they tend to respect you. The bad track day injuries I've seen are a DIRECT result of a rider who panicked when burning into a turn, and instead of just pushing it and riding it out or lowsiding, then stood it up while spinning the rear or some other catastrophic no no and high sided the shit out of themselves.

Nef,

Are you butt hurt about my previous post...

Track is dumb! :p

....It does not get you Girls Phone Numbers.

Hahahaahh..!!!

The only people that do not like wheelies are old guys who brake bones easily and Poosies that don't have Cojones to keep it up!

I can not believe Any of all these guys have offer you any constructive advise!!!

Bunch of poosies!!! :D

Can't take a joke can you?

That was in reference to your post:

The only wheelies I do are out of turn three on Firebird main, for all other purposes they are useless and kinda dumb.

Insurance cost go up because like any other busines, they want more profits. When there is more people on the roads there is more accidents. That is a no brainer! Also motorcyclist insurance may be higher because riders are at more risk of injury because they do not have a steel cage around them. Yet, my SV cost me 1/4 of my cost to insure my BMW.

And listen, the Reputation of Street Riders has been there long before we both started riding... And it does not matter if we all follow all the laws and even slow traffic down by riding at the speed limit. The Reputation is not going anywhere.

The fact that motorcycles are no seen or respected will not change until all driver become riders. Period!

Look, I am glad you enjoy your freedom at the track.

I risk more by riding on the canyons... YES!!! But I enjoy it! :squid:

And I risk more by doing wheelies when I feel it is safe to do so... YES!!! But, I enjoy Doing them!!! :squid:

Luis.

Bitch Please! :) <<< JOKE