Scary crash today...brand new GSXR600

[sandie]

I was coaching at the MSF range in cerritos today, and as myself and the other coaches were checking people in and getting people on bikes we heard someone rev REALLY high in the parking lot (which we cannot see from our staging area). we just figured it was someone showing off (that happens now and then)...but i noticed a lot of people stopping to look out into the parking lot. i walked over to get a clear view, and all i can see is a brand new gsxr on it's side, parts spewed everywhere, and a crowd gathering. i ran over to the campus police, and asked them to call a paramedic...better safe than sorry. i then went over to the bike, and there was this girl on her back, lucid, talking to someone in the crowd...he was telling her to stay still. i spoke with her, asked if she was ok, she said she was, and we just kinda hung out until the paramedics came.
i'm not sure what happened, but the bike is SMASHED. the tail section is in pieces, the tank is dented and scratched, as are the plastics, both wheels are like pretzles and the tires completely flat...i didn't see the accident, but people who did said she flipped it. i'm not sure how, she was actually in a parking space. i'm thinking maybe she dropped the clutch and caught hold of the throttle and it launched into a parking curb, and then launched into the air. nuts!
anyway, the poor gal was concerned the police were going to impound her bike, because she didn't even have a permit yet! :| surprisingly they didn't, and she came back later with a truck to pick up the bike.
oh, and she was fine

holy cow was that nuts! i know people will argue with me on this, but i really wish people would start out with less powerful bikes...i mean, she's lucky she didn't get hurt...and that bike had NO miles on it i'm sure, and now she's going to have to sink a ton of money into it...and it will never really be the same.

ride safe folks!

[Dragonhawk]

You forgot the only important part of the story.

... Was she hot?

[Punkbrad]

hot or not, she was a fuggin idiot

[SV650R]

Dragonhawk,

You probably miss this part when reading Sandie's post...

Originally posted by sandie

oh, and she was fine!

Punkbrad,

Yeah she is an idiot, no question about it. But, if she is Hot! Well then it's OK...

Luis ;)

[sr9004u]

Well, its a great first bike the 06 GSXR 600, At least she gets partial MSF credit for looping it in the parking lot, they cant teach this stuff its gold baby gold!

[smokescreen]

Yeah.. The question is.. How the hell did she buy the bike without so much as a permit? It's ILL-FUCKIN-LEGAL to sell a bike to someone without a permit or liscense... Unless they have a vehicle to take it home in, or have it delivered... I guess. Bullshit nonetheless. Dealerships should be sued for selling people bikes soo far outside their skill levels.

[Darth Lefty]

I do wonder sometimes if staged horsepower limits vs years or miles of experience would be a good idea...

[smokescreen]

Who knows. I'd not like anybody telling me what I can and cannot ride... And yet.... This is a great example of people having no right to get what they got.

[sandie]

Originally posted by smokescreen
Yeah.. The question is.. How the hell did she buy the bike without so much as a permit? It's ILL-FUCKIN-LEGAL to sell a bike to someone without a permit or liscense... Unless they have a vehicle to take it home in, or have it delivered... I guess. Bullshit nonetheless. Dealerships should be sued for selling people bikes soo far outside their skill levels.

this is EXACTLY what i was thinking...how on earth did she get this bike in the first place...crazy

[Dragonhawk]

Originally posted by smokescreen
It's ILL-FUCKIN-LEGAL to sell a bike to someone without a permit or liscense...
Nope. No such law. A dealer can sell a vehicle to anyone.

If they don't have a liscense, they can't legally drive it, but that doesn't mean the dealership can't sell it.

It SHOULD be illegal. I would agree with that. But it is not illegal to my knowledge. (And yes, as usual, I did my best to research the California Vehicle Code. I found nothing.)

[SilverRider]

This is how we get forks for cheap. Dibs on hers if she is parting out. I do think it is funny that people who have a hard time riding a bicycle get on motor bikes, but it happens a lot. Glad she is ok.

[stingray]

so she wasn't a student?

how do you coordinate checking people in while getting them on the bikes?

usually we'll check them in while doing a gear check THEN start E1 and get them onto bikes.

[sdlnxgk]

Originally posted by Dragonhawk
You forgot the only important part of the story.

... Was she hot?

+ 1

Also pictures are worth a thousand words !!!!

[Darth Lefty]

Originally posted by SilverRider
This is how we get forks for cheap.
People keep saying that but it occurs to me that the forks tend to hit first...

[shenphong]

Maybe it's just me, but shouldn't people know better before purchasing a bike? I put in some time helping out at a local custom bike/car shop and had a 18 yr old kid (im 20 by the way) have his bike towed in, 1994 GSXR 600, story apparently goes, bought bike used, no license, no permit, took it on the highway and proceeded to crash it within 5 mins of owning it. He left the sellers neighborhood and lost it right on the highway on-ramp. We told him itd cost more to repair it then what he bought it for, he still gave the go ahead for it.

The only thing I am shocked about is how the bike was not taken away from her. Next thing you know, shes back on the road ready to endanger anyone and everyone around her.

[copperdopper]

It is true you can buy a car without a license for the following reason. I could be an 95 year old man with no license anymore but all the money in the world I want to buy a new car for my daughter to drive me around in. Makes sense.
But bikes don't follow the same reasoning, one should not be able to purchase without a license. That being said I bought my SV without a permit. In Canada you can legally ride a motorcycle as long as you ride with someone else on their own bike who has a license. I did take the safety course and get my license. We have graduated licensing up here but it does not affect CC's as of yet, I hear it is in the works.
I bet they sell her bike off for parts and she doesn't ride again

[sandie]

Originally posted by stingray
so she wasn't a student?

how do you coordinate checking people in while getting them on the bikes?

usually we'll check them in while doing a gear check THEN start E1 and get them onto bikes.

i believe she was a student...i guess she rode to class on her brand new gix600.

yeah, we do the same thing, i just summarized by saying checking them in/getting them on bikes...semantics semantics!

Originally posted by shenphong
The only thing I am shocked about is how the bike was not taken away from her. Next thing you know, shes back on the road ready to endanger anyone and everyone around her.

yeah, that REALLY surprised me too...i'm thinking it was because 1. it was campus police and maybe they don't have the authority to impound?, or 2. they were being kind because after all she was there to take the BRC and get her license

[newbie]

Man....craziness. :eek:

When I took the MSF course a few years back one of the guys rode in on an R1. He had a permit, but less than a week of riding experience. The instructor(s) told him that he should put that thing away for a while and start with a smaller, less powerful bike, but the dude didn't want to hear it.

Damn...I wonder what happened to him. At least he wore safety gear.

[MACHETE!]

Well I guess it will be a new stunt bike for Someone....

[sandie]

i was partially hoping when i posted this that someone here might know this girl...i didn't get her name tho

i'm interested to see what happens to the bike...or if she ever rides again

[dapittbull69]

campus police have the same authority as regular police. they could have impounded her bike if they wanted too.

[newbe]

When i got my SV i had no permit and no insurance. As long as i signed the line they gave me the bike and never even looked. I still remember how much fun it was after riding my old 305 with 20hp. The SV felt like it was made for me. Still love my bike.

Alex

[SVNerd]

Originally posted by smokescreen
Yeah.. The question is.. How the hell did she buy the bike without so much as a permit? It's ILL-FUCKIN-LEGAL to sell a bike to someone without a permit or liscense... Unless they have a vehicle to take it home in, or have it delivered... I guess. Bullshit nonetheless. Dealerships should be sued for selling people bikes soo far outside their skill levels.

I've purchased more than one bike, where I had it delivered. No one asked me for an ID, or anything. I handed them the check, and that was it. In other words, it can't be that hard to get the bike home ... and I don't have a clue about the legalities.

Damn shame about the gixxer ...

If anyone has any thoughts of looping their bike out in a parking lot, give me call beforehand - I'll be glad to come by to take the bike off your hands. Hell, I'll even throw in a couple bucks, just to make it legal :D

[Buellba Fett]

Originally posted by sandie
... anyway, the poor gal was concerned the police were going to impound her bike, because she didn't even have a permit yet! :| surprisingly they didn't, and she came back later with a truck to pick up the bike...

I'm with the camp that feels that there shouldn't be purchasing restrictions ... but feels that there should be riding (and perhaps driving) restrictions.

At least this girl was trying to do the right thing: taking an MSF course to improve her skills. But since she needed a truck to remove her bike from the grounds, I guess she had been riding on public roads to get there.

Wonder if she had insurance.

[copperdopper]

Sandie did you refund her for the course or does that umm qualify as attending??????

[bdmsupersport]

I can tell new riders till i'm blue in the face why they don't want a track replica for their first bike. Everytime the response is "yeah but i like the way it looks". drives me absolutely nuts with students #-o

[ADRATH]

It seems to me that if a company made 'cool' looking starter bikes there might be a good market for that. All the options for people starting out look like Tom cruise rode them out of the '80s . Even though the hyosung's might be junk at least they are trying to get this market share which is in every riders best interest.

[Kurt'sSV]

Originally posted by ADRATH
It seems to me that if a company made 'cool' looking starter bikes there might be a good market for that. All the options for people starting out look like Tom cruise rode them out of the '80s . Even though the hyosung's might be junk at least they are trying to get this market share which is in every riders best interest.

That's a really good point. The fully faired GS500 that Suzuki came out with in 2004 isn't a bad looking bike. I'm surprised I've never seen more of those. The Kawi EX250's and 500's look like toaster's. The small sport bikes they import to Europe are cool looking. The OEM's need to create a market for those over here. They'd sell if they wanted them to.

[sandie]

Originally posted by copperdopper
Sandie did you refund her for the course or does that umm qualify as attending??????

she won't get a refund, but she'll be able to reschedule and take the course on a later date...if she even wants to

Originally posted by ADRATH
It seems to me that if a company made 'cool' looking starter bikes there might be a good market for that. All the options for people starting out look like Tom cruise rode them out of the '80s . Even though the hyosung's might be junk at least they are trying to get this market share which is in every riders best interest.

i couldn't agree more!

[Dragonhawk]

Originally posted by ADRATH
It seems to me that if a company made 'cool' looking starter bikes there might be a good market for that. All the options for people starting out look like Tom cruise rode them out of the '80s . Even though the hyosung's might be junk at least they are trying to get this market share which is in every riders best interest.
Originally posted by Kurt'sSV
That's a really good point. The fully faired GS500 that Suzuki came out with in 2004 isn't a bad looking bike. I'm surprised I've never seen more of those. The Kawi EX250's and 500's look like toaster's. The small sport bikes they import to Europe are cool looking. The OEM's need to create a market for those over here. They'd sell if they wanted them to.
You both are forgetting one very important thing: PROFITS.

Small-displacement starter bikes are cheap and earn very little profit for companies.

Why sell a person a $3000 Ninja 250 when you can sell them a $8900 GSXR 600?

As riders, we care about our fellow riders. Companies and corporations only care about money and profit. Our "best interest" to them is our pocketbook. That's all they care about. They don't NEED a market of low-cost, small-displacement bikes. They make a lot more money by selling GSXR600s and 750s to all these clueless new riders who actually buy them. Why make smaller and cheaper and lose money?

[FunkDaddy]

Originally posted by Dragonhawk
Why sell a person a $3000 Ninja 250 when you can sell them a $8900 GSXR 600?

If the profit margin is the same on both bikes, sell them the smaller bike so they will come back and buy another, larger bike from you.

[bdmsupersport]

wait, it's the manufacturers fault that new riders choose uncomfortable difficult to handle bikes that go 90mph in first gear??? i'm missing something. The ducati monster 620 is beautiful. sv650 aint a bad looking bike.

[sandie]

i think it's more the mfgr's fault that they let people buy bikes without an endorsement...which some people agree with and disagree with by the looks of this thread.

i'm torn on the subject of what kind of first bike people get...after all, my first street bike was the SV (not considered a good first choice by many)...but i bought a used one, that i didn't care about getting beat up, and i didn't buy it until i had completed the MSF course, and i tell ya, i spent 6 months riding around like a grandma and practicing in parking lots before i got up the nerve to jump on the freeway.

i dunno, i guess anyone can get hurt on any bike...it just seems like you're increasing your odds of injury with a bike that will loop REALLY EASY if you drop the clutch and accidentally gun it because you haven't mastered throttle and clutch control yet.

[Kurt'sSV]

Originally posted by Dragonhawk
You both are forgetting one very important thing: PROFITS.

Small-displacement starter bikes are cheap and earn very little profit for companies.

Why sell a person a $3000 Ninja 250 when you can sell them a $8900 GSXR 600?

As riders, we care about our fellow riders. Companies and corporations only care about money and profit. Our "best interest" to them is our pocketbook. That's all they care about. They don't NEED a market of low-cost, small-displacement bikes. They make a lot more money by selling GSXR600s and 750s to all these clueless new riders who actually buy them. Why make smaller and cheaper and lose money?

The profit margin for a starter bike that stays the same for 10 years is a lot higher than their flag ship race replicas that get redesigned every 2 years.

The SV's, Katanas, GS500s, etc. fund the redevelopment of the GSXR series.

[bdmsupersport]

looping isn't the main problem. just watch a new rider try a uturn on a 600 repli. now have the same rider do it on a naked sv. There's a world of difference. when i hear someone mention "600 class" and "begginer" together i just want to helmet-whip them.

Dual sports, as long as their short enough, make by far the best begginer bikes imho.

[ADRATH]

I think if manufacturers had a good entry level bike with sharp styling they would create a brand loyal customer that would upgrade with a year or 2 and spend the big bucks. Companies can save money by using old tech but its the old styling that is costing them. Updated plastics that look like smaller versions of their big bikes would be the way to go.

[sandie]

Originally posted by bdmsupersport
looping isn't the main problem.

yeah, i was just using that as an example of not having control of a motorcycle with incredible power

[bdmsupersport]

Originally posted by ADRATH
I think if manufacturers had a good entry level bike with sharp styling they would create a brand loyal customer that would upgrade with a year or 2 and spend the big bucks. Companies can save money by using old tech but its the old styling that is costing them. Updated plastics that look like smaller versions of their big bikes would be the way to go.

isn't that what a sv is?

the bottom line is that newbies like fairings. never mind that they don't do any good on the small bikes that they should be riding, and that fairings generally come with clipons that they definitly shouldn't be using. so do you put a close to useless fairing (that are just gonna get scratched) on a begginer bike just to give the consumer "the look". the perfect beginner bike exists already, it's the naked sv. it's not the manufactures fault newbies buy the wrong bike. that's like a new surfer buying a 6'0 performance thruster.

maybe gsxr style plastics with framesliders on a sv with a handlebar? that would do it, but new riders would still pay an extra 2grand and get the gsxr.

[sandie]

Originally posted by bdmsupersport
it's not the manufactures fault newbies buy the wrong bike. that's like a new surfer buying a 6'0 performance thruster.

you're right...but i think some of the blame lies with the dealers. but again, it all comes down to dollars...why push a $4000 bike, when you can sell a $9000 easier...and maybe the mfgrs should step up to the plate and give incentives to the dealers for getting people on more beginner type bikes (i agree, it would probably help boost future sales for them as well)...maybe even an incentive to buyers to take the MSF first!

[copperdopper]

Just playing devils advocate here but I will tell you why it is not in the manufacturors best interest to sell you a less expensive, more rider friendly bike first. Because you probably wouldn't get yourself into trouble with it, crash it and want another one right away. Once you've felt the power and pull of a GSXR 750 you want more you push it until you crash it. If you buy a GS500 you are less likely to flip it trying wheelies. I see where you are all coming from but corporations only think of money such is the way of our capitalist society. :(

[ADRATH]

Originally posted by sandie
you're right...but i think some of the blame lies with the dealers. but again, it all comes down to dollars...why push a $4000 bike, when you can sell a $9000 easier...and maybe the mfgrs should step up to the plate and give incentives to the dealers for getting people on more beginner type bikes (i agree, it would probably help boost future sales for them as well)...maybe even an incentive to buyers to take the MSF first!

I like the idea of incentives for beginers on their bikes. If there was a good trade in incentive for beginner bikes then people might not feel like they will have to go through the hassle of selling the bike after a year or 2 they can go to the dealer and trade in toward a new model. The dealer wins cause they have a guarenteed sale on a bigger bike and beginer bikes always have a good resale value because there is always new people looking for them (at leas here in Canada). I know dealers are money hungry corporations but I see it as best for them in the big picture if they start someone on the right bike they are more likely to have a customer for life or a motorcyclist for life rather than making the one sale and having the person be discouraged form riding even again after the first major crash because the bike was too much for them.

[SVNerd]

All this about holding dealers and manufacturers responsible is nonsense. We as consumers are wholly responsible for what's in the market place, based simply on what we choose to purchase.

If there was demand for 125 cc sport bikes in the US (as in Europe and Japan), they'd be here. That goes for 250s and 400s.

Like virtually every aspect of motorcycling, these issues comes down to personal responsibility - and if people aren't going to assume responsibility for themselves, they not only shouldn't ride, they should be weeded out via more challenging requirements for the privilege to do so. Otherwise, the government will ultimately intervene, making it a PITA for all of us to ride.

Perhaps tiered licensing as a function of displacement is in order - not the M2 and M1 setup we have in CA. This is the case in many countries, some of which have gone so far as to severely taxing larger displacement bikes, making it difficult/prohibitive (expensive) for the novice to have such powerful bikes. Ever wonder why there are such great 400cc bikes available in Japan ?

If you have the scratch, no one is going to keep you from buying a 500 HP sports car ... or a 170Hp sport bike. Personally, I'd like it to stay that way.

Sadly, its unlikely to stay the way it is, and pointing fingers at manufacturers and dealers (greedy institutions that they are ...) isn't going to make any difference. Ignorant people are going to continue making bad decisions for themselves, as long as they have the low-cost insurance safety net.

[malkey]

Originally posted by SVNerd
All this about holding dealers and manufacturers responsible is nonsense. We as consumers are wholly responsible for what's in the market place, based simply on what we choose to purchase.

If there was demand for 125 cc sport bikes in the US (as in Europe and Japan), they'd be here. That goes for 250s and 400s.

Like virtually every aspect of motorcycling, these issues comes down to personal responsibility. +1 :)

[copperdopper]

SVNERD I couldn't agree with you more. It seems whenever anyone does something stupid anymore they just want to point fingures at someone else. No one wants to accept responability for their own actions and decisions. Regulating through insurance is definitely the way to go, I think rates for a 600cc compared to a 1000cc are almost double in Canada . Maybe that isn't enough.

I'd love to see more options for 250, 400, 500cc bikes problem is would we buy them seeing as we are obsessed as a society with bigger is better.

first time biker buys a GSXR1000, insurance should be $3000, with no safety course, $2,500 with one safety course, $2000 with 2 safety courses and 6 months no accidents, that will make people think twice

[sugart!ts]

BAH... I blame her boyfriend/sex buddy/random guy she was trying to impress who probably told her.. anything less than a gixxer and you will be bored in six months. :rolleyes:


and i never thought i'd say this, i agree with svnerd:eek:

moral of the story, homegirl had more credit than common sense.

[malkey]

Originally posted by joose
and i never thought i'd say this, i agree with svnerd:eek: Whaaaaaaat! ;)

[ADRATH]

Originally posted by copperdopper


first time biker buys a GSXR1000, insurance should be $3000, with no safety course, $2,500 with one safety course, $2000 with 2 safety courses and 6 months no accidents, that will make people think twice

Well currently if you are under 25 and purchase a litre bike up here it will be double that at least. Currently up here if you are 16 and want a 600 supersport I have seen people quoted anywhere from $5000 to $10000 a year which is good. (except statefarm which goes by cc so a Sv is more than a 600 SS)

[CARATNIC]

Hold on everybody, do we really need the government to tell us what we can and can not buy! Do you need other people telling you what to buy? Its like a seat belt law, do we really need one? If your dumb enough to not where your seat belt than you should die, its your own fault. If you go buy a hayabusa with your own money and will and then wreck it and die, is it the dealers fault? Was the salesman driving your bike? Was here turning the throttle? NO!!! He wasnt, quit trying to put the blame on other people! ITS YOUR FAULT AND NOBODY ELSE! There are people who buy big bikes for there first bikes and dont wreck them, they may drop them, but everybody drops there bike every now and then! Should we punish those people because somebody crashes on a fast bike they purchased themselves! I dont know about you, but Insurance rates for motorcycles are high enough, why would you want to raise rates on higher cc bikes? Do you want to pay more? Look at what you pay now, and ask yourself, Do I WANT TO PAY MORE? NO NO and NO!! IF YOUR UNDER 25 THE INSURANCE IS THREW THE ROOF! Ive heard of people having to pay a 100 dollars on there bike loan a month and 300 on insurance a month! Thats CRAZY! Personally I would like the government to stay out of my purchases and buisness! Its called freedom! freedom to buy whatever I want! People have died for freedom, no matter what level its on, and I have personally served for it! So lets all take a step back and relized the effects of telling people what they can and can not buy, cause someday it could effect you!

Now, a solution, you must past your drivers test on the bike you have purchased or the CC class. Ive seen people take there test on little 250s because its easier to manuver and the throttle is easier to control. this could be a partial soultion, but remeber, you can not fix every problem in the world without adversly effecting something or sombody else. FACT!

[NiteQwill]

Though I disagree with some efforts of government regulation. I do believe in the regulation that seems to prevent people from using their own common sense. The government, to an extent, has the ability and RESPONSIBILITY to control what its citizens purchase, that is why we vote (ie. schedule 2-5 drugs, weapons, etc.). I also believe the responsibility also lies in enforcing the common sense that some people fail to have, common sense that saves not only their own life but the lives of others. Remember, freedom is perspective, what may seem unfair in one hand is totally fair to the wives and children left behind by a dead husband because a person who wanted to buy that nice shiny bike plowed into someone else.

[greginva]

Just to let you know, suzuki gave me a check for completing the msf course. So atleast they are trying to get people out there safely. Oh and for some reason i really like small bikes, ie 125, 250s and wish we had them here in the US, along with cc limits on licenses.

[sdlnxgk]

Originally posted by Kurt'sSV
That's a really good point. The fully faired GS500 that Suzuki came out with in 2004 isn't a bad looking bike. I'm surprised I've never seen more of those. The Kawi EX250's and 500's look like toaster's. The small sport bikes they import to Europe are cool looking. The OEM's need to create a market for those over here. They'd sell if they wanted them to.

+1

Nathalie bought a GS500F because she liked the look and was a good first bike choice and yes I was jealous because she has lower fairings and I didn't :(

[torreyh]

Originally posted by smokescreen
Yeah.. The question is.. How the hell did she buy the bike without so much as a permit? It's ILL-FUCKIN-LEGAL to sell a bike to someone without a permit or liscense... Unless they have a vehicle to take it home in, or have it delivered... I guess. Bullshit nonetheless. Dealerships should be sued for selling people bikes soo far outside their skill levels.

Gimme a break.... :flag:

All these folks talking about regulation just remind me of how how bad US society has become nothing more than a hurd of sheep. :cool:

[summitsix]

If you think about it, Kawi actually got it right with the 650R and newbie riders. I'm surprised more people are not starting on that bike. The 250 and 500 are pieces of shit, nothing more and Kawi knows it. Why they sell this crap in the US is just craziness. What I would like to see is a 400cc bike with some extra performance, like what they have in Europe. Remember, the fjr was in europe before it ever landed in america and just look at demand for this bike.

Manufacturers are almost begging newbies to try out a gixxer 600 or sv650 as a first bike. The way the starter ninja bikes are, it is no wonder why gixxers don't sit in dealerships very long.

[Slaughter]

I'd LOVE to get a CBR250RR in this country.

250cc Inline 4 and a powerband up to 19,000

http://www.honda.co.jp/news/1992/image/15_50.jpg
http://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/motor/CBR250RR/19900300/image/002-001.gif
http://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/motor/CBR250RR/19900300/image/012-001.gif

47-ish HP

Sweet -

[Kurt'sSV]

That thing would crush in AFM 250 Production.

[Cow]

Originally posted by torreyh
....nothing more than a hurd of sheep. :cool:
What's a hurd? Ever heard of a herd?

[CC_05_SV]

The svs is better looking for people who want the coolness factor, but the naked bike still looks good in it's own right. PPL don't like the sv cuz it doesn't look "cool" when it's naked, but it's one of the best bikes to learn on, I love it but will def. upgrade.

[jeff762]

good lord we got 8 words out of cow instead of just a moo.

[Cow]

Originally posted by jeff762
good lord we got 8 words out of cow instead of just a moo.
moo

[svmaxs]

I saw this bike at a local sportsman/RV show....
http://www.socalsvriders.org/albums/albuy22/Hyosung250.jpg
http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/hyosung_gt_250_r_2006.php
I didn't ride it but I did hear it run and it sounded good, and the looks are very cool for a 250.

[codzilla70]

Try as you may, you will NEVER be able to defeat Darwinism,
I know this its my job. :rolleyes: People will always find new ways to f#@k themselves up. Sucks for her but my first ever bike was a brand spanking new 01 R6, I did crash it on the race track after riding it for a year on the street as my only transpo so it can be done it just depends on the individual. People should be able to buy whatever they want but know they will be held accountable for their actions. If that were the case you would definitely see less carelessness.





Oh yeah and I’m sick of the mentality that hot chicks may do whatever they want! You guys are SUCKERS if you believe this!:squid: s

[Slaughter]

Originally posted by codzilla70
Try as you may, you will NEVER be able to defeat Darwinism


I beg to differ with you.

I've posted before that Nature favors the stupid and ignorant and those with poor survival odds - as witnessed by the spawning species.

Organisms with poor odds of individual survival tend to breed in high numbers - fishes, coral and squids to name 3 examples.

The two wheeled squids very likely breed much earlier than others with genetics that give them better survival skills.

The unfortunate thing in all this is that by the time they've eliminated themselves from the gene pool, they've already bred

OR - their idiot parents have produced more of them.

You just can't win - the best you can do is hope to get some of their gear on ebay

[acer66]

Originally posted by Slaughter
I beg to differ with you.

I've posted before that Nature favors the stupid and ignorant and those with poor survival odds - as witnessed by the spawning species.

Organisms with poor odds of individual survival tend to breed in high numbers - fishes, coral and squids to name 3 examples.

The two wheeled squids very likely breed much earlier than others with genetics that give them better survival skills.

The unfortunate thing in all this is that by the time they've eliminated themselves from the gene pool, they've already bred

OR - their idiot parents have produced more of them.

You just can't win - the best you can do is hope to get some of their gear on ebay

that`s sad and funny at the same time