Bridgestone Tyres

[Natedawgg]

Which Bridgestone tyres do you wacky, weird, & wild riders ride on?

Which are the ones that're harder in the middle and softer on the edge?

........ heh, I said "hard" :o ........

:D

[linp]

... and you spell tires funny.

BT010 are stickier. BT020 lasts longer. Most wacky riders use BT010 front, and either the 010 (sticks better) or 020 rear (for more mileage). Then there are the 56SS, BT012SS tires...

[Burst]

I ride the 010 front and 020 rear. This works great for me....
The rear has not let go without me MAKING it let go. The 020 is a slightly harder compound than the 010. I have ove 5,000 miles on them and they look like they will give another 5,000.

The two times I have noticed the rear will let go,
1- when downshifting at high rpms without matching revs it will give a slight chirp but comes back in line immediately.
2- when I dug my peg feeler into the asphalt on Palomar. The peg lifted the rear slightly and the tire skipped/hopped once but immediately grabbed again.

Check Cycle Gear for their current prices, I got the set mounted and balanced with tax for $225

[Natedawgg]

What's a good price for them?

Any good online options anyone can recommend?

[linp]

Get them from your local Cycle Gear because they price match, have the road hazard free tire replacement warranty option, and mount them for cheap.

You're in LA, so maybe they could price match Chaparral (http://www.chaparral-racing.com), or Parts411.com (http://www.parts411.com). They are both "local" to LA. Chaparral has BT010's for $79 front $97 rear (more $ at the store, this is their magazine ad price), similar to Parts411.com's price.

[ersigh]

I've been using 020's, the rear is good, the front sucks.

Recently I've ridden Aaron's bike a bunch and realized that his tires give me a massive amount more confidence than my tires do ... his bike has 010's. Very nice tires. Yup.

[bwarbiany]

Since you're going to be on the track, I'd suggest BT010 on both wheels... You might be pushing hard enough that you can out-ride an 020 rear...

Brad
(Got BT010 rear installed last week for $130 OTD at Cycle Gear in fullerton... That was $129.99 - 15% for the tire, 11.99 mount&balance, front will be cheaper, but they won't do it unless the wheel's off the bike)

[linp]

They charged me $11.99 to mount the front tire as well. The vavle stem is like $2. And I kept my old tires to save on the tire disposal fee. Still, hard to beat $12/tire mount & balance, and the road hazard warranty program. Cycle Gear rocks! BTW, there's a 15% off single item coupon in this month's Friction Zone magazine. And I have a 20% off coupon if anyone wants it.

Two guys (and one more soon) at the Cycle Gear on Convoy Street ride SV's too :)

[Burst]

If you know about these guys that ride SV's ..... THEN WHY ARE THEY NOT ON OUR BOARD PAUL??? Are you slackin off on the job again? hehehe :D


Ooohh Maybe since there are soon to be three SV riders at Cycle Gear they will give us all a discount.........

[linp]

Ya... hehe.. my bad.

Norm (the manager) is "gearman (http://www.socalsvriders.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=64)" on the board. The other guys lurk. Oh, they did tell me if we do a "charity ride" they'll hook us up with goodies :D

[Burst]

Does my empty wallet count as a charity?

I could really use some goodies. :D

[Natedawgg]

I just called cycle gear. They asked what size tires and I said "120 & a 160".

Apparantly there's another measurement that I missed.

What Size are SV tires?

[Kurt'sSV]

You should say 120/60's and 160/60's 17"

[linp]

Or 120/70ZR17 for the front, 60 or 70 profile works with the fender. Though somehow I keep hearing that racers like the 70 (taller) tires, and I got the 70's but don't feel all that different. I dropped the front 1cm through the triples too.

For the rear, stick with 160/60R17, don't go wider.

[ersigh]

I have 120/70 in the front. I enjoy the more agressive attack.

I don't think I'd consider 010's good track tires.

[bwarbiany]

Trace (norcal list) used them up at Thunderhill, and considering he's faster than you and I put together, I'd trust 'em...

Although you're right, for a dedicated track tire you'd want something else, but they're suitable, and if you want to use them as road tires, so might as well stick with them.

Brad

[ersigh]

There are people who use the Meztlers on tracks who are faster than me. I would use 010's on the track ... but I wouldn't label them as race tires ... nor even suggest them to people who are looking to use the track. They are street tires and are going to be less reliable than a race tire, in a race situation ... good riders, experienced riders are much more able to maintain control, even with less sticky tires. So ... I'm more willing to blame the rider for the tires doing well, then the tires.

[headcase650]

I was considering putting a bt010 on the front and a bt020 on the rear. As I understand it the bt010's are a little softer than the bt020's. The 010's are cheaper and I put about 6500 miles on my bike last season. For you guys running the bt010 on the back, will this tire last 6500 miles or should I go ahead and get an 020 on the rear? The way Im trying to plan it out, Id like to get 2 seasons out of the front tire and a full season out of the rear. Thanks guys

[Troy]

I put a BT020 on the rear two weekends ago, but haven't yet taken the bike back to the mountains, after breaking in the rear, to push her hard. Initially though, it felt only slightly grippier than the stock Metzler, but offered much better handling in the form of quicker turn-in rate and feel (that I can remember from when my old rear was still new).

Once I get another car, and won't be relying on the bike so much for my fscking 70 mile commutes to work, I'll be able to afford to run softer tires. I'd like to try the Sportecs and the DL 207s or 208s (whatever they're called).

[Winol]

i have those tires on my SV and they work perfectly


Definitly a good choice :p

[headcase650]

Any one think it would handle screwy if I left the MEZ4 on the front and but the BT020 on the rear for one season. I know I can get another year out of the front and am on a budget?

[Winol]

if u have a MEZ 4 on ur front , dont put a BT 020 in rear . just put MEZ 4 again :sad:


Btw MEZ 4 = totally Shit

[Danny]

Yes, that combo works great. I can usually get 5k out of both, whereas the BT010 rear is done at 3k. It will slide a bit more at big lean+throttle, but quite controlably. Turns in a bit slower, but tracts just as well. I was getting them for $150/pr for the past couple years, but they've gotten so popular they've gone up almost $30 recently. Still worth it though.

[lil blue02]

I am currently running 010f and 020r and I will not do it again.
I do not like the 020. No sir I don't!
It doesn't have the max lean angle that the 010r does.
It becomes too easy to ride over the edge.
As soon as I can afford a change of tire I'll be going back to 010's front & rear. (I still have probably 3000miles on the rear).

That all being said, if you don't push the corners to the x-treme you may like the 020. Just be prepared to be forced into riding slower for 5k or so.

[Danny]

You're right, the BTs aren't the best for aggressive riding, and definately not track worthy. Although they are the only tire I've found that comes close while lasting more than 2000mi. If I lived in Cali and rode canyons all day I'd probably go for something softer.

[dillweed]

Is the 020 the longest-lasting aftermarket tire for the SV?

[Reddog99]

Originally posted by dillweed
Is the 020 the longest-lasting aftermarket tire for the SV?
Not by a long shot. If you want mileage, and are unconcerned about cornering traction, then look for "touring" tires, as opposed to "sport touring".

The BT020 would be classified as sport touring. The Metzler ME880 would be a touring tire. Go to this web site for a fair explaination of the intended use of the different tires available:
http://www.discountmotorcycletire.com/

Pat

[dillweed]

Well I meant to say, is it the longest-lasting tire that still has higher performance than the MEZ4

[bwarbiany]

I shred a BT010 in less than 5K miles, and I don't ride that fast...

That being said, a competent rider can take the MEZ4 or BT020's out on the track and do well... Daniel from NorCal's slow pace on the BT020's is faster than I've ever ridden :)

[Punkbrad]

am i the only one who seems happy with the mez4's? i have gone all the way to the end of the tire or chicken strip or whatever its called, and i have had no problems with it. i dont go balls out into the canyons either. i think the mez4's are fine for my applicaiton. plus, i have 8 thousand miles on them, and im not thru with 'em yet! close though.

is it a bad idea to get them again? are they cheaper than regular tires? someone please shine their diligent light of guidence upon my troubled and darkened path!

thanks - Pb.

[Kurt'sSV]

For your riding, Punk, I wouldn't get anything sportier than the Metz 4s. You could try Dunlop's 220's, they're the same type of tire. And yes, sport touring tires are cheaper than full on sport tires. The less tread life a tire has, the more expensive they are. Funny how that works.

[bwarbiany]

Originally posted by Punkbrad
am i the only one who seems happy with the mez4's? i have gone all the way to the end of the tire or chicken strip or whatever its called, and i have had no problems with it. i dont go balls out into the canyons either. i think the mez4's are fine for my applicaiton. plus, i have 8 thousand miles on them, and im not thru with 'em yet! close though.

Get the BT010/020 combo... For your riding style, you won't overstress the rear tire enough to get it moving around.

And they're stickier than the MEZ4's...

Cheaper, too...

And last about the same amount of miles...

[headcase650]

Check out azmotorsports the sport BT010's are cheaper than the sport touring BT020's and the MEZ4's are more than either of the BT's!

[SUCATI]

I'm only getting about 4,000 on the BT10 rears. I was using the BT56SS before they discontinued them. I like the Bridgestones better than the MEZ4s, and I have used Metzelers only for years on my CBX and BMW. I too was thinking about a BT20 rear for next time. The Bridgestones are pretty inexpensive too!

Mike

[dillweed]

Originally posted by lil blue02
I am currently running 010f and 020r and I will not do it again.
I do not like the 020. No sir I don't!
It doesn't have the max lean angle that the 010r does.
It becomes too easy to ride over the edge.

Is this really true?
What does everyone else think?
Even if it's true, wouldn't it still be better than a MEZ4?
I need to decide soon

[lil blue02]

Yes BT010's and 020's are better than the MEZ4, and yes the milage is kinda low from the 010r but I still have to side with 010's f & r for "canyon carving".

[dillweed]

Well I've put on 15,000 miles in 9 months, so I can't afford a tire that only lasts 4000 miles. So I guess I'll be getting the 020, unless someone recommends a better tire for the money.

[stough]

So I loved the 010F/020R combo. They felt great. While the rear tire has lasted ~8000 miles, the front was shot after 4000. It's my opinion that I don't push the envelope enough to warrant the 010/020 combo, so I'm going to 020 front and rear as soon as my chain and sprockets arrive. I'll comment on it when I finally get them installed...

Later,
Tim.

[dillweed]

The 010 on the front only lasted 4,000 ??? Jesus! Screw that, I'm gonna go with 020 on both sides then.

[lil blue02]

4000 out of the front 010? I've already got about 6000 and it's still looking alright.

[Hiszpan]

hi! just look at:
http://www.motorcycle-karttires.com/
and you will find the difference between all bridgestone tyres...
its normal that BT 020 will stay much longer in good condition that BT010...
first tyre is sport touring second one is high performance... difference is in rubber. first one have much harder rubber than second one.
hard rubber = a lot of miles but poor grip
soft rubber = good grip but poor milage

in my opinion the best solution ie BT56 or BT57. they offer medium grip and milage...
i,m using them and in my opinion they are super!

regards:
SVS '2000 rider from Poland

[stough]

I swear, and it really needed replacing at 3500; I was just too cheap.

However, many have gotten better mileage. I attribute it to the fact that >60% of my riding is on the Angeles Crest and in the canyons. The tire looked great in the middle, but had no tread on the sides. The flattened sides were getting a wierd characteristic in the turns; it turned in fast and then didn't want to lean any farther. If you pushed it, it'd lean more, but you could tell that there was a reduced contact patch. I also realized that I wasn't getting on the throttle enough in the corners and if I learn to do that, I may distribute more wear onto the back.

That's my $0.02.

Later,
Tim.

[lil blue02]

Could have something to do with the temperature here vs there and the fact that I do 50/50 mix of commuting and carving.

[Dr. D]

Has anyone tried Bt010's at the track? I'd like a good sticky tire thats streetable. Cheap is good and I change tires once a year so mileage is not a real important issue. I'm just worried about trashing a tire at the track and not being able to run it through another heat cycle. How about Michelin Pilot sports? What do you fast guys/gals run at the track? I've got Avons right now but they are on there way out, they aren't to compliant and I will not be getting another set of those. Any opinions are appreciated.

[dillweed]

I currently have the 010/020 combination.
I had the rear 020 on first, and then later I replaced the worn-out stock front tire with a 010. As soon as I did, the turn-in slowed WAY down. I don't really mind, because it feels more stable, but what I DO mind is the fact that it takes more effort to pull the bike out of one turn and into another

I want to go to a track day, and I'm tempted to complement the front 010 with a sticky new REAR 010, but I'm scared the bike might get even SLOWER turn-in.......what do you guys think? Should I stick with a 020 rear?

[Kurt'sSV]

I have the 010/020 combo on my bike right now cause kpalmer did a lot of commuting on it and I hate that 02 rear. Being that the 010 is sportier than the 020, your turn in will be quicker, but not as quick as if you went with M1's, 208's or Pilot sports.

[ersigh]

Originally posted by dillweed
I currently have the 010/020 combination.
I had the rear 020 on first, and then later I replaced the worn-out stock front tire with a 010. As soon as I did, the turn-in slowed WAY down. I don't really mind, because it feels more stable, but what I DO mind is the fact that it takes more effort to pull the bike out of one turn and into another

I want to go to a track day, and I'm tempted to complement the front 010 with a sticky new REAR 010, but I'm scared the bike might get even SLOWER turn-in.......what do you guys think? Should I stick with a 020 rear?

I had the 010 on both and was very very happy with it.
I was pissed to have a 207 on the back because that thing broke loose all the time.

[bwarbiany]

I had the 010/010 combo for two sets, and I loved them...

Then, I tried the M1's... Man, those things turn in quick... The first day I had them I had to remind myself not to fall over, because they just lean in so easily...

The M1's are better track tires, but if it's a fairly new front, just toss another 010 on the back, and replace them with M1's if you become a track junkie later... From all accounts I've heard, the BT010's are fine on the track...

And Daniel from Norcal (was at the last gathering) did a track day on BT020's, and probably rode faster than any of us would on full race tires, soft compound, without a problem... He does like sliding around though :confused:

[dillweed]

ok I'll probably put a 010 on to last with the rest of the front

[Dr. D]

Road at Gingerman Raceway in MI on the M-1s last weekend. Wow, great freakin' tires. Not a whole lot of drama, just stuck like glue for the 80 or so miles I put on them. Slid a little here and there, but ultra predictable and fun. Best of all they still look really good. My cousin was riding on a new 208 and it was way more shredded at the end of the day, granted he's riding a R6 and is a tad faster but I'm not too far behind. Damn 600's!:mad:

[Natedawgg]

I have had 020's on my SV for over 6k miles and only had them slide once. Maybe I'm just not as aggressive as some of you cats.

I really like them, and I'm getting a ton of miles with them. I think they are a great deal.

[Nanduccio]

Originally posted by Natedawgg
I have had 020's on my SV for over 6k miles and only had them slide once. Maybe I'm just not as aggressive as some of you cats.

I really like them, and I'm getting a ton of miles with them. I think they are a great deal.

I've got the 010 F/ 020 R combo going, and I haven't slid yet.
I really like them, and I'm not slow. ;) When the 010 F goes, I may put a 020 on just to make things interesting. What the hell!...Gimme some more mileage...

(I did slide and have "fall in" problems with the stock Metz's.)

But then again, I don't really know anything.

I also just had a nail plugged in my 020 R! :sad:

I'm not even gunna tell you guys how much I paid for that particular service, because you would all just laugh yourselves silly.

BTW, The 020's shipped from the factory on VFR800's for 2002-2003, so I figure if the "World's Best Streetbike" can deal with 020's, then so can I. There's plenty of guys who'll bury all of us on our SV's with "sticky" tires with those "lousy" 020's on a 500 lb bike loaded up with their wife and saddlebags.

[Nanduccio]

Originally posted by Kurt'sSV
I have the 010/020 combo on my bike right now cause kpalmer did a lot of commuting on it and I hate that 02 rear. Being that the 010 is sportier than the 020, your turn in will be quicker, but not as quick as if you went with M1's, 208's or Pilot sports.

Kurt, just curious but why do you hate the 020 rear?

Is it turn-in related?...or are you just sliding the thing everywhere?

[Kurt'sSV]

Originally posted by Nanduccio
Kurt, just curious but why do you hate the 020 rear?

Is it turn-in related?...or are you just sliding the thing everywhere?

My dislike comes from the uber slow turn-in and it makes it tougher to hold the line with a square back tire.

I couldn't ride fast enough with one hand to make the rear slide.

[sunrisesvrider]

Kurt - I want to ride your bike Sunday to see how the tires work. I was planning on putting the 01/02 set up on my bike.

[Kurt'sSV]

Originally posted by sunrisesvrider
Kurt - I want to ride your bike Sunday to see how the tires work. I was planning on putting the 01/02 set up on my bike.

Okay, but you'll have to knock a hundred bucks off my rent for June. I will be riding it over to Kris'es ('cause I will be working on it, of course).

[Natedawgg]

Originally posted by Nanduccio
I also just had a nail plugged in my 020 R! :sad:

I'm not even gunna tell you guys how much I paid for that particular service, because you would all just laugh yourselves silly.


How much did it cost? I've been quoted at $30 before, but most places won't plug a motorcycle tyre. Just in case, you know?

My guys at Crago put an inner tube in my tyre (tire - whatever) when I got a nail for about $40 when all was said and done. When I asked them about a plug they told me to go to a gas station if I really wanted to risk my life.

But then again, I have a friend in the Bay Area who sez he's run around like a mad man with up to 3 plugs in one tire at the same time and never had a problem.


One wonders. I'd rather be safe. An extra 10 bux is worth not getting a flat at 80 - 100mph.

[ward]

i just got a flat at 75-80 on monday, it was the rear,

not too scary

[zzzwillzzz]

i've ridden a plug at a track day before and it was perfectly fine. as long as you get the kind they install from the inside of the tire, the patch part on the inside is about the size of a quarter and they drill out the hole to the same diameter as the plug portion.

[chukiechz]

anyone seen this??

http://users3.ev1.net/~krivoshe/lodestone/dog.mpeg

[Monte]

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. So sad, but so funny...

:sad:

:D

[Kurt'sSV]

Originally posted by ward
i just got a flat at 75-80 on monday, it was the rear,

not too scary

You got another flat? Jesus, do you drive though construction zones a lot?

[ward]

Originally posted by Kurt'sSV
You got another flat? Jesus, do you drive though construction zones a lot?

now I'm on my 3rd 020 rear in about 5000 miles

glad cycle gear replaces em cheap!!

[Natedawgg]

Originally posted by chukiechz
anyone seen this??

http://users3.ev1.net/~krivoshe/lodestone/dog.mpeg

That has got to be the funniest thing I've seen! LMAO

[Troy]

Originally posted by chukiechz
anyone seen this??

http://users3.ev1.net/~krivoshe/lodestone/dog.mpeg

:eek:


Is it still technically doggy style?

[Vandal]

I've heard good things about the 010 front/020 rear combo. I've never used Bridgestones. How do they compare to Pilot Sports and Sportechs, specifically on the track?

[BluBallz]

i dunno bout allt he track stuff, but ive been riding palomar every chance i get lately witht his combo, the back side it harder rubber and it takes a little longer to warm up than most, but it grips for me really well and they are lasting me forever. ive got 2000 on these sets and they will probably last me at least another 3 or 4...

[Troy]

I use the 10/20 combo. It's decent, even if you ride moderately hard. However, the front tire has slid on me a couple of times. Just today I was pushing it kinda hard on Little Tujunga, and the front slid on a couple of right handers (one downhill and one uphill, both marked 20mph), but I don't think that's a testament to the tire itself - speaks more of my riding technique and my stock front suspension.

I'm going with M1's in a few weeks. I have to see what all the fuss is about, and 8/2 is Track Day!

[POI]

Just got the 01/02 combo. Got them on there thanks to Kurts help....Mahalo Kurt, very much. (mahalo means thanks :D just in case you didn't know) I'll let ppl know what I think. I can already tell you that it turns a lot better, but thats because there was a 180 on the rear and now it's a 160. Much better handling, and still has good straight line feel. I'll have a real chance to test them, going on my SVS trip from here to Canada next week. Will update as I go along. Will put over 2000 miles on it in 10 days.

[bwarbiany]

Originally posted by Troy
I use the 10/20 combo. It's decent, even if you ride moderately hard. However, the front tire has slid on me a couple of times. Just today I was pushing it kinda hard on Little Tujunga, and the front slid on a couple of right handers (one downhill and one uphill, both marked 20mph), but I don't think that's a testament to the tire itself - speaks more of my riding technique and my stock front suspension.

Uhh, Troy, have you checked your tire pressure? Or do you have a crapload of miles on the tires? The front BT010 won't slide unless you're riding really hard... You can get some nice rear drift with the 020's when leaned over (so I've heard), but I don't see why your front should be sliding anywhere...

[Nanduccio]

I've had the 010F/020R combo for about 3 thousand miles now, and I really like them. They certainly are better than I am...

The 010F is almost ready for a new one, and the rear looks like it will be cooked when the new front goes. So, basically 2 fronts for every rear...I have triangulated the front pretty well...2 miles commute to work, so most miles have been canyon.

The ONLY time the front has ever slid on me was recently when I hit one of those "tar snakes" (asphalt crack patching black compound) on Latigo Canyon in a slow turn. I managed to catch the bike with my right foot planted and stood her back up...Phew............:eek:

I've thought about going to a 020F, since it's harder, and because changing tires is a pain in the ass. If I can get more mileage and still have a tire I'm comfortable with, then why not?...I figure if they shipped stock on the VFR, they're ok.

[Troy]

Originally posted by bwarbiany
Uhh, Troy, have you checked your tire pressure? Or do you have a crapload of miles on the tires? The front BT010 won't slide unless you're riding really hard... You can get some nice rear drift with the 020's when leaned over (so I've heard), but I don't see why your front should be sliding anywhere...

Yeah, the pressure on the front was at 58psi. That's cool, right Brad????








j/k. I let the pressure out to 29 before riding this morning. It wasn't an asphalt snake or a crack in the road or gravel, and the air temp was in the mid 90's.

[calversv]

troy - how was little t? was the road clean? better than crest?

can't make it tonight. i'm spent. have a great bday. drink much.

[Troy]

Originally posted by calversv
troy - how was little t? was the road clean? better than crest?

can't make it tonight. i'm spent. have a great bday. drink much.

Little T was cool. Not bumpy like Crest- more like AF hwy and Upper Big T in that respect. We also rode Sand Canyon, San Francisquito (I think that's what it's called), and Bouquet canyon. All in all, a very good mix of riding. Little T has some tricky decreasing radius corners, Sand canyon had mostly constants, and one of the last roads, right before ending up in Valencia, had long straights (friend on R6 says he hit 158mph) and 100 mph sweepers. My front end didn't agree with those too much. Wobble at 100 mph on an SV in a turn = poopy pants.:o

[bwarbiany]

Originally posted by Troy
Yeah, the pressure on the front was at 58psi. That's cool, right Brad????

j/k. I let the pressure out to 29 before riding this morning. It wasn't an asphalt snake or a crack in the road or gravel, and the air temp was in the mid 90's.

Wow, you actually had me worried there for a second ;)

I suggest, though, unless you're pushing hard enough to really warm up the tires (like on the track), running 33-35 psi up front, and 35-38 in the rear... 29 is a little low up front for street riding...

[mencius]

I love my BT 10F/20R combo that I have on my bike now. I'm curious though, has anyone used the BT-010 rear? What did you think of it???

[bwarbiany]

Originally posted by mencius
I love my BT 10F/20R combo that I have on my bike now. I'm curious though, has anyone used the BT-010 rear? What did you think of it???

Liked it a lot...

Not as much as I like the M1's, but the BT010 is a top-notch tyre...

[Nanduccio]

The idea of 2 different tire compounds front and rear seems odd to me. I mean I'm doing it, but come to think of it, I've never seen anyone here mention using 2 different tires besides the Bridgestone 010F/020R combo.

You don't see people running different Dunlops or Metzelers, etc...

I wonder why it is that people feel the 020 is not good enough for our front.

[Kurt'sSV]

Originally posted by Nanduccio
The idea of 2 different tire compounds front and rear seems odd to me. I mean I'm doing it, but come to think of it, I've never seen anyone here mention using 2 different tires besides the Bridgestone 010F/020R combo.

You don't see people running different Dunlops or Metzelers, etc...

I wonder why it is that people feel the 020 is not good enough for our front.

That's a good question . . . . . I don't know.

[Setter32]

.....I believe it's because the 020s are not as sticky as the 010s......

....therefore.........with the 010s up front...........there are less chances of you washing out the front....in the canyons.....or on the track....................than if you had the 020s up front.....

.....so I'm told.....




:D

[Kurt'sSV]

Originally posted by Setter32
.....I believe it's because the 020s are not as sticky as the 010s......

....therefore.........with the 010s up front...........there are less chances of you washing out the front....in the canyons.....or on the track....................than if you had the 020s up front.....

.....so I'm told.....




:D

Okay, that's obvious. The real question is why don't people use, say, the Dunlop 220 on the rear and a 208 on front? Or a Metz 4 on the rear and an M1 on the front? None of us do that.

[Setter32]

.....just a wild guess here.........

....but maybe because the compound of the Mez4 and the M1s are not very similar............

.....but the 020s and the 010s are......similar enough...........to interchange them as such.........

.....and I believe some people have interchanged certain types of Dunlops.........



:D

[Dom]

With an 020 on the rear I think you can run greater risk of a highside depending on how you ride and such. I'm a big fan of the 010 though really good feedback and the tire life is pretty good too. when I had my duc it came with a bt56ss on the front and an 020 on the rear and that's what I highsided on. I don't blame the tires but I don't think they helped either. Just a heads up too I was reading in one of the mags recently that they tried the 012 on some big comparo and basically it sucked and slipped alot so might want to look elsewhere.

[stough]

I ran the 010/020 combo through one rear and 2 fronts (7,000 - 3,500/3,500). For my riding style, the 010 front was overkill and wore way too quickly (lots of canyon riding, but not terribly fast; I wear both front and rear right to the edge). I was doing 60-70% of my riding on the crest and wore the sides of the 010s in short order.

Now, I'm running 020/020 and am very happy with them. They have never felt unsure, and are wearing much more evenly. Personally, I'm going to stick with the 020s unless I want to hit the track.

Later,
Tim.

[Nanduccio]

Originally posted by stough
I ran the 010/020 combo through one rear and 2 fronts (7,000 - 3,500/3,500). For my riding style, the 010 front was overkill and wore way too quickly (lots of canyon riding, but not terribly fast; I wear both front and rear right to the edge). I was doing 60-70% of my riding on the crest and wore the sides of the 010s in short order.

Now, I'm running 020/020 and am very happy with them. They have never felt unsure, and are wearing much more evenly. Personally, I'm going to stick with the 020s unless I want to hit the track.

Later,
Tim.

I basically second this entire post.

I ride like 25-50 miles a week to work, and about 100-300 a weekend in the canyons. I loved my 010F, but I just shredded the thing too quick IMHO.

I had a 020F put on Friday, and put 250 miles on the new front in Malibu and The Crest. I rode Latigo as hard as I've ever ridden it, and the front didn't feel unsure one time. I had complete confidence both there and the Crest. The handling characteristics (turn in,etc.) felt exactly like the 010F, so very little to no time adjusting to it. I'm very happy with the switch.:)

Also, I believe that the "ride quality" of the SV has improved. The front is just more dampened, possibly from a slightly softer sidewall or something because of a "sport-tour" tire. I don't know if they do this with motorcycle tires or not, so does anyone know? (I do know enough to know this would have happened with any new front! Nanducc is not that stupid, ya know. ;) But it just seems like a better "ride" than I remember when I had the 010F, even when new.)

[Nanduccio]

I can't believe Scott hasn't popped in to tell the world about his 010F. It's just so unlike him. Any minute now...

[smolvar]

Originally posted by Nanduccio
I can't believe Scott hasn't popped in to tell the world about his 010F. It's just so unlike him. Any minute now...

OK OK....010 front is sooo much better than the Mez4. The more triangle profile makes turn-in and leaning much easier. As a whole riding canyons requires less steering input.

But you guys all know this already!

[avc8130]

anyone know the absolute cheapest place to get bridgestone tires?? also, how much more mileage will i get out of the 020 and how much more grip out of the 010? ie, i do highway commuting during the week and rip up the curves on the weekend so i need a good compromise...is the 010 front/020 back any good?
ac

[doub1etap]

I've heard a lot of guys do the 010/020 combo and are really happy with it. I've bought a tire from www.parts411.com before, they seem ok. Then just a few bucks to have it mounted.

[BluBallz]

i have 6000 miles on my 020 and its just now starting to get in the last 1000 mile stage...

[dillweed]

How come every time you run them up to the edge in the twisties, you wake up the next day and see this ugly black-blue ring around the edge? And then it goes away after a few days?

[stough]

I would guess that the blue ring is the result heating the rubber. I'm sure that it happens everywhere, but on the way home, you scrub it off everywhere but the edge.

Same thing happens to my 020's, and I don't feel that they are less effective for it. They do last a heck of a lot longer than 010's though...

Later,
Tim.

[Rocko]

You should have a nice even blue ring around your tires...it means your suspension is working as it should....

[dillweed]

but when I look at everyone else's tires, that aren't 020's, they don't have that ring

[zzzwillzzz]

it means you tires are getting up to temperature, when they get hot different chemicals are released and come to the surface. this is what happens with race tires, they don't run out of tread or rubber, they overheat them to change the chemical composition of the tire and lose grip in the process

[Kurt'sSV]

Originally posted by zzzwillzzz
it means you tires are getting up to temperature, when they get hot different chemicals are released and come to the surface. this is what happens with race tires, they don't run out of tread or rubber, they overheat them to change the chemical composition of the tire and lose grip in the process

ie. it's normal.

Next question.

[dillweed]

yeah I figurred it was a chemical coming up but I was just curious why 020's do it and others don't

[zzzwillzzz]

different tires will do it at different temps, i'm guessing. the 020 being a harder street tire will do it at lower temps, while something like a 208gp will just laugh at you and say 'is that all you got' and still look brand new because it's made to withstand the higher temps seen at the track.

[BioTek]

Ok, this'll merged but thats ok coz I know it'll happen.
I have an 020 rear and have finally worn out the MEZ front with my commuting.
I will be getting Bridgestone rubber hopefully before next Saturday and dunno whether to get BT010 or 020?? Which is the harder compound tire?? I need some kinda longevity but also want it to stick like shit to a shovel. I intend to stick with the 60 series. Input please? Thanks.

[Knightshade]

for freekin christ dude..I just got an image of my dogs shit sticking to the turquoise shovel I use to pick it up...thanks..

[BioTek]

Originally posted by Knightshade
for freekin christ dude..I just got an image of my dogs shit sticking to the turquoise shovel I use to pick it up...thanks..

Hahaha!! Good turn of phrase huh?? I grew up with my dad saying that ALL the time. :D

[Knightshade]

wells...according to the bridgestone website, the bt010 is the tire most likely to stick like shit to a shovel..(I'm thinking I'll proably adopt this phrase..thanks..) as the bt010 is classified as a "high performance" and the bt020 is a "sport touring"


and..the only phrase I got from my dad centering "shit" was...

We be chittin in tall cotton now!!! (must be said with your best southern accent)

I'm thinking he picked that up in alabama when he went to high school..

[TIE_Pilot]

OK since Knightshade scooped up the good deal on slightly-used tires before me :) -- I'm now left thinking about new tires for track day. I still honestly think I'd be fine riding the tires I have. My question is, if I was going to shell out for something like BT-010's, could I get more than one track day out of them? If I kept the D220s, put the 010s on for the track, then put the D220s on again afterwards?

[rb643]

On our 12/12 trackday, I rode every session and I only put about 115 miles on my bike. Our group rides are longer than that, so i'd say you can get more than 1 track day out of them.:D

[TIE_Pilot]

Yeah I thought about that... from the "mileage" perspective I think I'd probably be fine muddling through and using up the tires on my bike now.

[zzzwillzzz]

Originally posted by TIE_Pilot
-- I'm now left thinking about new tires for track day. I still honestly think I'd be fine riding the tires I have. My question is, if I was going to shell out for something like BT-010's, could I get more than one track day out of them? If I kept the D220s, put the 010s on for the track, then put the D220s on again afterwards? it really depends on your speed. if you're new to the track and not very fast, your tires will show almost no wear, if you're grinding away parts and having to change knee pucks before lunch time arrives then you could still probably get a couple of track days out of them

[bling_thing]

Speaking of pucks, Will...

[Knightshade]

Originally posted by TIE_Pilot
Yeah I thought about that... from the "mileage" perspective I think I'd probably be fine muddling through and using up the tires on my bike now.

between now and then...I'm sure you'll be fine. My tires are starting to get that flat spot in the middle..that's why I was so HAPPY to get that sweet deal on the slightly used tires...and I mean...SLIGHTLY used. I think my total bill after I dropped in the K&N, got the kickstand thingee fixed, blah, blah, blah was almost $300, so I wasn't vibing needing to buy new tires....

I also noticed today that I've only got 3200 miles on the bike.....did a search..only had 1394 miles when I got it...so I don't quite fit in the 3000 mile requirement...oh well..on vacation for the next two weeks....will definetly amp up those mileage numbers....

Oh darn....

:p

[zzzwillzzz]

Originally posted by bling_thing
Speaking of pucks, Will... thank you very much for the loan! can you pick them up at the ride/party this weekend?

[bling_thing]

zz,

I'm PLANNING on it, but not sure yet.

Is there anything left?

[BioTek]

Ok, I have a BT010 on hold until I get to Cycle Gear to have it fitted tomorrow. I start a new job in a week with a service truck, so I figured that with the bike no longer being for my commute I would get the stickier 010 instead of the more durable 020. I have an 020 on the rear so is it a funky combo that could cause probs or am I over analyzing it??

Friday 16th. Cycle Gear sucked today, the BT010 that was on hold for me turned out to be a 120/70, I explicitly told 'em I wanted the 120/60! So seeing as I want it to ride at 9am tomorrow morning I went to check out Lees. They had one in stock and mounted it on the rim, they're more expensive there but at least I'm good to go (I coulda gone to the 70 series but dont wanna screw with my forks as there is a slight bend in the leg and it'd mean alot of messing about to get it set back to feeling right as it does now).
Rode home and the difference between the old MEZ front to the 010 is unreal, just a small right turn at an intersection and she wants to tip in, I cant wait to see what it feels like on some twistier stuff tomorrow!! :D :D

[SVChris]

Is the BT10 in the front and BT20 in the rear going to good tire choices? What is the benefit of have a 120/70 in the front?

[doub1etap]

I'll copy paul:

Different tire size thread:
http://www.socalsvriders.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1700

Summary: need to lower front end to compensate for the extra height of tire, 120/70 is a good alternative and most people love it.

Yes, the 010 front 020 rear is a nice street setup.

[BioTek]

Yep, 010 front and 020 rear feels good, running it now and it sticks like shit to a blanket. :D

[svspete]

020 has a small lean angle, meaning, I can't get my knee down safely. It's good for ordinary street riding. very good wear, since it's dual compound, softer on the edges, harder in the center.

[zzzwillzzz]

Originally posted by svspete
020 has a small lean angle, meaning, I can't get my knee down safely.
don't blame it on the tire, pete, we all know the real reason...:squid: :D






















sorry, i couldn't resist

[mccoy92620]

Anybody know how the handling / ride will change on a 03 SV650 with a new BT020 on the rear and the original stock on the front?

I've got a little over 7500 miles on the bike, mostly from daily 80+ mile commute Irvine - Torrance and back.

The rear is worn / squared-off but the front looks fine.

[Kurt'sSV]

It'll be fine.

[smolvar]

Anyone try the new BT014? They are the 010 replacement as its being phased out.

[zoltan]

i've been hearinf some rumors that the bt010 fronts have problems with premature cupping. since i was about to buy a 010/020 combo, this kinda worries me. any truth to the rumors?

[Tillers_Rule]

Ive heard they can cup when under inflated, under extrememly heavy riding(like track time)but never experienced it myself, but then again, Ive never used them.

[GMAN]

Used 'em for 2 years on my TLR...never experienced cupping. I drop a pound or two of pressure before I rode the canyons. They perform well and last long.

[BioTek]

I have an 010 on the front,I ran it at perfect pressure and it has cupped in a BIG way.I am actually getting 014's fitted today so wont have to worry about whether it's safe or not any longer.
I haven't had track time, just 'spirited' street use.

[Chump]

Same here, running 010 front and rear. Fronts cupped, but great tires while they last.

[Sui]

OK, I talked with the bridgestone rep awhile back regarding the 014 this is what I have for info...


=========================================
BT014 replaces BT010.

However, the performance is so good on the BT014, we will probably
discontinue BT012 SS also, and just use BT014 for performance tires.



Bob Graham
Motorcycle / Kart Product Manager
Bridgestone / Firestone North American Tire, LLC.


-----Original Message-----

Thanks Bob for your reply. Just to confirm - the BT014 will replace the
BT012-SS? Or did you mean to say it will replace the more stret oriented
BT012 (non SS.)

Please let me know thanks.

-Troy

-----Original Message-----

We have just introduced these sixes in a new tire, Battlax BT-014.

It is available now, and will replace BT010 and BT012SS.

Bob Graham
Motorcycle / Kart Product Manager
Bridgestone / Firestone North American Tire, LLC.

[BioTek]

Got my 014's today,they are super soft. :D
Tried to take a pic of the cupped 010's,pic doesn't really do it justice tho,they are thrashed,and not because I'm a particularly quick rider either!!!

[Chicago_SV]

That is one trashed BT10:D

Running th 10-20 combo now

I am in the market for new tires and would like to know what you think of the BT14's

[dabame]

ok dumb question... but what is cupped. is it when the sides wear out faster then the middle or vise verse? or something else?

[BioTek]

If you look at some of the tread you'll see how it's raised (cupped),the tread has been pushed up by the force on the outer sides. I have never experienced it before,Burst analyzed some of my riding and it's possible I did'nt have enough positive throttle heading into turns and then picked up the gas at the apex, meaning more load on the front tire before the apex because more consistent gas will not only make the bike more stable but it also helps to move the load to the rear tire, so less chance of cupping the front tire.
That right Gregg??

[dabame]

biotech... is that the front? i can see how your sides are almost bald and you have plenty tread left on the top. is that right? if so wtf... is it because the side rubber is softer? seems stupid to me. im thinkin of switching to michellin piolets

[BioTek]

Yes it's the front.I was running the 010 front and 020 rear. The 02 wore perfectly,just ended upsquaring off and running out of tread in the center.The 010 is a fairly soft compound thruout the whole tire,I'm not really sure what caused it all but Greggs theory seems the most plausible.
The 020's had a dual compound so endured freeway miles fairly well and with a softer compound at the edges provided ample grip for me.

[patriot_missile]

what were the miles on those tires? I'm trying to figure out what to get for a 20 mile commute during the week everyday and canyon riding on the weekend. Something that will last and give some performance at the same time. Any Suggestions?

[BioTek]

The 020 rear lasted excellently,regularly riding since last October,about 7k me thinks. The 010 I had on from about mid December, seeing as I've ridden every weekend but 2 since new year,I'm guessing about 4500 miles before it cupped.
I'd say 020's if you're gonna commute and you want Bridgestones tho.

[mccoy92620]

Just replaced my SV 650 stock rear tire with a BT 020 from Cycle Gear. They filled the tire to 40 PSI -- said that was normal for the rear and that the front should be 36 PSI.

Is this right?

I had followed the manual with 33 PSI front - 36 PSI rear and got over 8K on the rear before changing it (probably could have gone longer...) Hope to get the same or better with the BT 020.

I'm a daily commuter (Irvine - Torrance) -- what's the correct PSI for this, and will lowering this make for better corner handling on weekend mountain-road outings?

[BioTek]

Follow the manual, believe Mr Suzuki more than Cycle Gear. :D
33 and 36 psi.

[GMAN]

40psi...wow. Did you enjoy hitting speed bumps? :D

[morbidelli17]

I had BT010s on my F2, just put them on my SV and love them. I usually do 32-33 psi in the front and rear. The Bridgestone catalogue I looked at referred to their "balanced compound for even wear"; all I know is that I seem to get good wear from the front and square off rears quickly ...

[Chicago_SV]

BT 10-20 Combo

I run them at 26 Front 29 Rear (COLD)

They rise up to 31 34 once they get hot

+5 pounds (+ 7 is the most they should heat up to)
if you have +1 or 0 then you have to much air in the tire

They grip very well once warmed up.

[BioTek]

My opinion on the 014s is that they grip like shit to a blanket and have given me bags more confidence in the bike and my desire to ride a little harder.

Below is the photo of an untimely death to my 300 mile old rear 014.
New one on order so I'll be happy in a few days.
The black snot is the temporary patch that was done for free to get me home (thanks Inland Wheel Center,W.Mill St,San Bernadino).

[Golden_Eternity]

Originally posted by dabame
ok dumb question... but what is cupped. is it when the sides wear out faster then the middle or vise verse? or something else?

Thanks, I was waiting for someone to ask that so everyone wouldn't know that I have no idea what I'm talking about here...

D'oh!

[GMAN]

Originally posted by dabame
ok dumb question... but what is cupped. is it when the sides wear out faster then the middle or vise verse? or something else?

It really just means uneven wear. Basically, the tire doesn't track straight and it can be caused by numerous things:

* Faulty suspension
* Inconsistent tire pressure (between front and back wheel)
* Bad alignment
* Hard braking

Cupping is really unavoidable and happens on all vehicles, more so on motorcycles because you are not afforded the luxury of rotating the tires. Hard braking causes cupping because of tire flex. Depending on how hard you brake and where the wheel is turned at that given point in time determines how it wears.

I experience bad cupping during my first year of riding. General ignorance as far suspension settings, tire pressure, and uneven braking is what caused it.

[Dom]

Originally posted by Chicago_SV
BT 10-20 Combo

I run them at 26 Front 29 Rear (COLD)

They rise up to 31 34 once they get hot

+5 pounds (+ 7 is the most they should heat up to)
if you have +1 or 0 then you have to much air in the tire

They grip very well once warmed up.

wow you're running those mighty low I use those pressures on Palomar but for distance I usually use 32 front 36 rear. then again I like all 010's and diablos and supercorsas:D

[Kurt'sSV]

Originally posted by Chicago_SV
BT 10-20 Combo

I run them at 26 Front 29 Rear (COLD)



Holy crap, that's too low! I've never run Bridgestones before, but for my Pirellis the tire vender puts the front at 30psi, 28 rear(cold).

My brother did the BT10-20 Combo before and when I borrowed his bike one time his front was at like 25psi and it felt really shitty. The grip was okay (after I inflated the tires), even with the 020, except the profile of the rear wasn't so good for hard cornering.

[Dom]

I always thought that the 010's anyway had a pretty good profile for cornering how would you differentiate it from the pirellis?

[Kurt'sSV]

Originally posted by Dominator
I always thought that the 010's anyway had a pretty good profile for cornering how would you differentiate it from the pirellis?

The Diablo and Corsa have a more agressive profile and are all around stickier than the 010's (the Corsa's WAY stickier because it's designed more for track use). The new BT 014's should be pretty good, though.

[Chicago_SV]

"Holy crap, that's too low! "

Once hot they are at 31 34 ...just right ;)

[Dom]

Originally posted by Kurt'sSV
The Diablo and Corsa have a more agressive profile and are all around stickier than the 010's (the Corsa's WAY stickier because it's designed more for track use). The new BT 014's should be pretty good, though.

They don't make a corsa for the SV yet though right? I always thought they were pretty similar except maybe with a little more turn in. The thing I didn't like about the diablos is that they seemes to get greasy when they get heated up on a hot day and I never had that problem with the 010's. good to know though so far I love the diablos

[Hiszpan]

i've 120/70 in front and 160/60 at back Bridgestone BT57. I'm very happy with this setup. i've done some 9000km till now and they are still in good condition even rear one. suppose that i can do some 4-5000km more on them.
one thing: with profil /70 in front i've noticed sometimes shimmy so i've installed additional steering damper from LSL. now is great!