SV650"R" or R U Poor?

[Kurt'sSV]

Pretty much all of us has made at least one performance upgrade on our bikes, and several of us have made lots of them. Many, many people have posted that they wished that Suzuki would make a high end version of the SV with lots of upgrades. But the question remains: how much would you be willing to spend on an SV-"R"? What if it would still be cheaper to mod out a regular SV, would you still spend the extra doe on a high performance SV that is bad-ass out of the box?

Okay, here are the parameters for the SV650"R":
Full fairing
GSXR 750 suspension (meaning forks and shock)
75 hp motor
Rear sets that are higher and further back
No grab bar :p

The other option is to mod the bike out yourself like we do in real life. We all know how this can be a PITA. Installing the parts can be difficult if you do not have experience doing it or if you do not have the right tools. But . . . . . . we really don't spend that much when we do it ourselves and often put better parts on our bikes than what these RR bikes come with stock. As bad as Zoran says my Ohlins is, it's still way better than a GSXR shock.

Basically it comes down to what is more important to you, money or convenience. I'm poor as hell, so I would rather spend the time and save the money.

Of course then there is the third type of person who says, hey, the SV is fine the way it is. Why screw with a good thing?

[TFK_in_Mass]

I would be inclined to say bollocks to the whole thing. For a good many people, the whole reason they bought an SV in the first place was exactly that it wasn't an 'R.'

If Suzuki would make an SV-R, they would have to punch the motor out to 750cc, give it a stronger valve-train and crank, and boost output into the mid-to-high 90 hp-range at the rear wheel, in order to give the Ducati 749 an affordable competitor. Pricing in the low $7K range.

Problem is, then Suzuki would be stepping on the toes of it's own Gixxer.

[bwarbiany]

Well, I'm poor right now, so I can't afford to do any mods... If I could have bought my bike with a better suspension, and more power, etc etc... Then I would still want to mod it and make it better...

Of course, at my size no matter what bike I buy stock, I'll need to set up the suspension for my weight anyway...

[dabame]

better shocks and full fairings would be a good thing to add to an "R" type bike.. maybe and under the seat exhaust or at least high mount but personaly id rather do the stuff myself cause things like a good exhaust wouldnt be legal for emissions reasons noise etc. and adding mods is a way of personalizing it so it stands out. i dont think that can be subsituted

[pcperks]

Half the fun of having a bike is doing all the mods on it and getting it set to your own personal style. Different people like different exhausts, suspensions, and tires. It's all up to the individual, and their riding style. It would be hard to come up with an "R" model that would satisfy everyone. And if you wanted an "R", get a GSXR.

[dodgy]

Suzuki are planning to release a limited edition version of the SV650S and possibly SV1000. Performance enhancements are to include:
Single seat only re-design

Carbon Fibre Rear Hugger and other components

High mount Carbon Fibre exhaust system with improved breathing, and a version of the exhaust valving used on the GSXR1000. This enables easier complience with noise regs, together with a 10HP power increase across the rev range. The exhaust is 3Kg (6.6 Lbs) lighter.

Upside down forks with full adjustment

Adjustable rearset pegs

An improved remote reservoir rearshock

Suzuki will revert to the earlier styling of the 650S for this model, but it will use the fuel injected engine

Lighter wheels, fairings etc for an overall weight saving of 10Kg (22 Lbs) down to 159Kg (350Lbs)

:( Sorry kids, but it's a figment of my imagination. You can abuse me all you like, cause I want one anyway.
Better still, send a request to Suzuki, enough harrasment and they might just do it (and I might get a free one for the great idea) ;)

[Nanduccio]

Honestly, the ONLY thing I would want them to do is ship the SV-R with a major suspension upgrade. Give me a Gixxer grade fork and shock. That's it.

The bike is plenty fast and powerful right now; the engine an absolute jewel. And it's reliable as a bike engine could possibly be.

More speed, more power is just more $$$, and really pretty superfluous on the street.

This bike in good hands will run with anything on the street. Just give us an actual suspension, so it enables us to do that more confidently and safely.

[Natedawgg]

I thought you Australians were supposed to be nice people.

Ooooooooo, how I hate getting disillusioned.

That was mean, just plain mean.

[illustr8dman]

You evil sick fuck! Go Die! here I had some hopes and dreams....

[Slaughter]

Dodgy,

YOU BASTARD!

I'm reading that going "about freaking time..." that'd allow racing in superstock classes.

Dang it, you had my heart goin all a pitty-pat

You are one sick SOB

(good one!)

[SuperSpud]

$20,000 and I'll build it for you. ,:-? I mean really, if you want that set up and you got some cash, there's no stopping someone from creating it on their own. It'd just be a tuner bike instead of a factory superstock. That would be a pretty sweet set up though and you had me going for a bit.

[Knightshade]

dammit...i remained skeptical throughout the reading of your post..and I was still disappointed that it was just a joke.

bastard.

[Kurt'sSV]

Huh? Should this be merged with the front page survey?

[bwarbiany]

Originally posted by Kurt'sSV
Huh? Should this be merged with the front page survey?

No... The thread should be deleted for being the cruel, sick joke that it is...

[Dom]

I know it ruined my day, I was all like dammit I should have waited to buy :D :p

[NC03SVSRider]

:mad: Funny.:mad: Thats how fights start:mad: !!!!

[stingray]

if it had "decent" suspension (showa, not KYB) and 750cc, i think it'd be a good bike. they could go "parts bin" from the gixxers and include the new USD forks and radial brake setup. gixxer rearsets, higher exhaust (better ground clearance). fairings, just include the bellypan and have SVS fairings. i think i'd pay maybe $1k over a standard S for it if it had the suspension and engine upgrade. who else makes a 750 twin except duc? suzuki would once again corner the market, if anything, in affordability.

i dunno if i'd buy it simply cause i'd race it and i'd never race a new bike.

[No_Brakes23]

I would want an SV750RR, basically inverted forks, radial brakes full fairing, better swingarm, (a la R6, R1,) underseat or underengine exhaust, and better brakes, (At least as good as the 1st gen R1)

That kind of package would make no sense to the bean counters, I am sure. I'll just have to do it myself.

Perhaps a limited edition, like Kawi did with the ZX-6RR would work.

[Dr. D]

Here's the way I see it. Everyone here loves SV's, but some things about our bikes suck ass. To fix these problems we all have to spend money right so why not have Suzuki make us a bike without these "flaws". I'd be willing to pay extra for a better starting point for mods, first thing they would have to change is the frame, bring back the first generation and ditch the ugly post 02's

[NC03SVSRider]

I bet that SV750RR with the 03 frame would be bangin'! Id take it with the chin fairing and have the full fairing as an option......damn i need to stop dreamin' cause its not going to happen.

[TFK_in_Mass]

The 2nd gen. frame isn't so bad. Granted, it doesn't have the panache of an aluminum Ducati frame, but it is lighter and stiffer.

If Suzuki sees a market for another supersport within their range, surely, they'll make it. After all, they carried the Tiller and the Liter Gixxer together for years.

[morbidelli17]

Originally posted by Nanduccio
Honestly, the ONLY thing I would want them to do is ship the SV-R with a major suspension upgrade. Give me a Gixxer grade fork and shock. That's it.

The bike is plenty fast and powerful right now; the engine an absolute jewel. And it's reliable as a bike engine could possibly be.

More speed, more power is just more $$$, and really pretty superfluous on the street.

This bike in good hands will run with anything on the street. Just give us an actual suspension, so it enables us to do that more confidently and safely.

I also think the motor's fine, the riding position's bitchin', the styling is nearly perfect, etc. etc. I'm almost completely down with you on this one ... except ...

No matter how good the stock suspension is, do you know anyone who doesn't toss the shock absorber as soon as they get a few hundred dollars? The fork springs? So, why jack up the price on bits that I'm gonna toss or mod the crap out of anyway?

If they sold a 650S model that had an even worse shock and crappier springs and cost $200 less, I'd have bought it instead. And believe me, if they did upgrade the suspension, they'd boost the price more than what I'll spend to put a decent aftermarket shock and springs into my bike. They'd bump up horsepower, etc., etc., and it would quickly put the bike into year-old-but-showroom-new F4i, R6, territory, methinks.

I'll do it myself, and wind up with exactly what I want.

p.s. anyone want to buy a nearly-new SV650S 2003 rear shock? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?

:D

[bwarbiany]

Originally posted by morbidelli17
No matter how good the stock suspension is, do you know anyone who doesn't toss the shock absorber as soon as they get a few hundred dollars? The fork springs? So, why jack up the price on bits that I'm gonna toss or mod the crap out of anyway?

There is a point here, but remember that most people are not very fast track riders. For most street riders, even a stock GSXR shock is probably more than enough for them. But the stock SV shock just isn't very good.

For the front end, I want upside-down, cartridge forks. Not this damping rod shit. I can put in springs and racetech emulators, and it's still not as good as a cartridge fork. I could put in F3 internals, and it would be a little better, but I still want USD forks...

Toss the GSXR forks on there, definitely. There's no good reason not to. And if you're going to do that, you're better off swapping the shock to the GSXR piece too, to keep balance.

[morbidelli17]

Hey, I'm willing to be wrong.

Let me ask, seriously, is a revalved-resprung GSXR shock really that good? Better than, say, the Progressive 420 shock?

[bwarbiany]

Originally posted by morbidelli17
Let me ask, seriously, is a revalved-resprung GSXR shock really that good? Better than, say, the Progressive 420 shock?

Honestly, I don't know. I haven't ridden both, and to really get a valid comparison, I'd have to be a much better rider to tell the difference, and also find another bike set up for someone of my weight (which is substantial). And I'd have to ride them back-to-back in a track setting.

For me, I had to replace the shock. I would have had to do so with a stock GSXR as well. Just the nature of being my size. But for someone of average weight, is it necessarily worth it?

I look at it this way. I'm not a racer. I like track days, but I know I've got a hell of a long way to go before I'd really notice the difference a nicer shock would make. And for street riding, I should never be going fast enough to worry about it. For me, the difference was $300 for a resprung-revalved GSXR, or $600+ for the Penske/Ohlins model. Provided I don't wad my bike, or sell it for something else, I might eventually get to the point where I'll upgrade to the nicer one, but that's far enough down the road that I just couldn't afford it now.

[morbidelli17]

Yeah, I'm not racing my SV, it's my street ride, and I ain't racing it until it's paid off!. I was wondering if a revalved GSXR shock was really good enough for daily freeway/Sunday morning canyon cruising. I've had nothing but horrid experiences with stock shocks (and the SV has done nothing but reinforce that impression), but then again, I've had little experience with newer, high-end, stock suspension bits.

Thanks for the input.

M

[amcquinn86]

I think they should have at least put some .80 or .85 springs in the forks stock along with some 15 weight oil. The cost wouldn't be any different (well maybe 10 minutes of R&D to see how much the current front end sucks). Along with that, spending a little more on the rear wouldn't be a bad idea, but mainly the front needed some improving. The engine and looks are perfect though: not the latest/greatest, so it keeps prices down and squids at bay. I'd be pretty disappointed if they put a flashy look to it or started advertising about the SV. I like it being a secret that nearly all non-riders and most all squids don't know about.

I mean, a GSXR front end would be nice, but they'd ruin the affordability of such a great bike.

[Suprachrgd82]

The suspension is hella lame.

I got an SV just to have as a reliable, cost efficient bike so I wouldn't have to pay for Ducati tune ups as often. The goal was to leave it pretty close to stock. Of course, I gotta have some cool stuff like pipe and undertail, but that suspension is so friggin lame.

Anything over the factory would be better. Now, I really considering shelling out the dough to upgrade the forks to an inverted set up, or at least some stiff springs.

So much for leaving it stock........

[stingray]

modding is half the fun :D

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